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Luke Schenn vs PK Subban

View Poll Results: Which young dman for your team?
Luke Schenn 134 43.93%
PK Subban 136 44.59%
Different players. Equal value. 35 11.48%
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02-16-2011, 09:48 PM
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LOLOLOLOL....

Are you aware +/- is an awful stat?

Subban is out there facing top lines night after night with all the injuries. Might have a little to do with this?

Also, lol at people saying ''Schenn is a + on a ****** team''. Well, at the moment, Subban is the no1 D of the 5th team in the East.
LMAO. Schenn is out there facing top lines aswell.


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The only stats in which Schenn is better is +/- and hits. That's it.

We can look at points and TOI if you want, too.

but those stats really arent important


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02-16-2011, 09:51 PM
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Schenn as I think Subban will never be as good as Schenn defensively or the monster that he will become within 2 or 3 years.

And no habs fans,Subban is not better then Schenn defensively

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02-16-2011, 10:32 PM
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schenn's potential is crazy. this guy seems to get better every year. just watch him dismantle the other team's best forwards 1 on 1. his size and crushing hits also gives him the advantage.

as for subban, i don't like his attitude. i really don't. but he is a good offensive dman.

that said, i don't think it's fair to schenn to say subban's defence play is as good as his though because it's just not. subban makes those dumb plays that results with the puck in the back of his own net

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schenn for SHO!!

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02-16-2011, 10:39 PM
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Burke really got fleeced! He should have got two firsts for Versteeg since he is just as productive as Kessel

Nice to see Kulemin is already a better offensive player than Phil the Thrill too!


(just trying to make you realize stats don't tell the whole story most of the time. Subban's career +/- is better than Schenn's, if you really care)
Versteeg is about as productive as Kessel and Kulemin does have a better offensive game. What are you trying to prove? That reputation is more important than actual performance?

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02-16-2011, 10:43 PM
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Schenn, not really close at all. Montreal is just getting caught up in flash.

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02-16-2011, 10:45 PM
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Stats can only tell so much.

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Schenn easily Cleaveland Steamers on Subbans chest

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Subban no doubt.

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02-16-2011, 11:02 PM
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Schenn is +3 and Lidstrom is +1.

Schenn >>>>>> Lidstrom

PK has been playing huge minutes even strength, top power play and top penalty kill. He is an absolute stud and the best defense-man on a good team.

Schenn is a great shut down D and is a physical presence on a bottom team in the league.

They are both great but PK is way more complete than Schenn.

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02-16-2011, 11:15 PM
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Some of the Habs fans here are funny.... Schenn, and it's really not even close. That's just not fair to Subban because he is a pretty good player.

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02-16-2011, 11:21 PM
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It just show how much people know very little about Subban on HF and only hate him because its the fashion to hate him lately.

Subban is carrying a playoff team climbing in the standing. The Habs have use like what ? 12 dman this season, Subban has been the best overall dman for the Habs this season. Schenn isn't even that much of an improvement defensively. Subban play first ES minutes and first PK minute.

Schenn isn't even used as the shutdown pairing on his team.

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02-16-2011, 11:23 PM
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Subban: offensive defensemen
Schenn: defensive defensemen

Why compare them? Different types of players.

Oh wait, we're lacking in Habs fans and Leafs fans whining at one another lately.
Thats where you are wrong buddy.

Subban isn't an offensive defensemen. He is a 2-way dman, thats what Habs fan are saying over and over and anyone watching every game of the season will tell you that.

If he plays first ES minutes and first PK minutes and doing a good job at shutdown other team top forward, he can't be labelled as a offensive defensemen.

Ya heard?

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What i wrote on the habs board

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Subban is without a doubt better offensively while Schenn is without a doubt better defensively and more physical.

Schenn is in his 3rd year while Subban is still a rookie but Schenn is 7 months younger.
Btw, Habs fans stop using the Top D playing against top line excuse, the same can be said for Schenn.

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schenn's potential is crazy. this guy seems to get better every year. just watch him dismantle the other team's best forwards 1 on 1. his size and crushing hits also gives him the advantage.

as for subban, i don't like his attitude. i really don't. but he is a good offensive dman.

that said, i don't think it's fair to schenn to say subban's defence play is as good as his though because it's just not. subban makes those dumb plays that results with the puck in the back of his own net
Yeah and Schenn lead the league in giveaway. He turns the puck way more than Subban because he can't handle it.

Down the road, when Leafs fans will forget they wasted a #5 overall pick on a defensive minded dman with minimal offensive skills, they will realize that Subban is a two way defencemen and much better all around.

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It just show how much people know very little about Subban on HF and only hate him because its the fashion to hate him lately.

Subban is carrying a playoff team climbing in the standing. The Habs have use like what ? 12 dman this season, Subban has been the best overall dman for the Habs this season. Schenn isn't even that much of an improvement defensively. Subban play first ES minutes and first PK minute.

Schenn isn't even used as the shutdown pairing on his team.
Watch Leaf games, Schenn - Kaberle have been the top shutdown pair for about half the season interchangeable with Phaneuf - Beauch and recently Phaneuf - Aulie. The difference being when we play teams with Star forwards, Wilson usually uses the Schenn-Kaberle pairing to shut them down.

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What i wrote on the habs board



Btw, Habs fans stop using the Top D playing against top line excuse, the same can be said for Schenn.
No, its not.

Some Leafs fans told us that Aulie-somebody else was playing against top line lately.

Were they wrong ?

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Different type of player...depends on what your team needs...

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02-16-2011, 11:33 PM
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Not close at all, Subban hands down.

Schenn can only dream of having a 30+ points season like Subban is having, and he's not really much better defensively, people all say this because he was labelled a top pairing shtdown defenseman at draft time. The guy is a very ordinary d-man, as opposed to a blue-chip d-man already establishing himself as the #1 guy on a good unit.
I stand by this.

Subban is more dynamic and he's solid defensively. He's equally tough as well imo.
Schenn has nothing on him, except for size and he's slightly better defensively.

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No, its not.

Some Leafs fans told us that Aulie-somebody else was playing against top line lately.

Were they wrong ?
read the post right above yours

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Some of the Habs fans here are funny.... Schenn, and it's really not even close. That's just not fair to Subban because he is a pretty good player.
Do you realize how sad you look when saying that?

Only delusional Leafs fans will take Schenn are saying that he is better than Subban.

Subban is a #1 dman on a 5th seed, playing a good 2-way game, first ES minutes and first PK minutes and first PP minutes. You can't have more complete than that. He is good offensively and defensively.

Schenn isn't even the number one dman on a terrible team.

God you guys are acting like fool.

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2 way d-man > defensive d-man

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I stand by this.

Subban is more dynamic and he's solid defensively. He's equally tough as well imo.
Schenn has nothing on him, except for size and he's slightly better defensively.
We all know that... Except Leafs fans...

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Although not surprised, I find incredible how little people know Subban. He's dynamic, he hits, he makes great first passes, he's elusive, he's extremely fast, he's mobile, he fights, he carries the puck and he's a threat offensively.

Schenn is a good young defenseman but he's nowhere close to Subban, I'm sorry.

I know that Leafs' fans need to hand their hat on something positive but it's not fair to Schenn to be compared to Subban.

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