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02-16-2011, 07:16 PM
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To Montreal :

Devin setoguchi

To SJ :

Andrei Kostityn
Ben Maxwell

What do you think ? Fair Value ?

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02-16-2011, 07:22 PM
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To Montreal :

Devin setoguchi

To SJ :

Andrei Kostityn
Ben Maxwell

What do you think ? Fair Value ?
No thanks from sj. Value doesn't matter as your missing a key component, A top tier dman to sj. That is the only team need. Unless your fulfilling that, there's no point in making the proposal. And the way seto has turned it up, I doubt they will sell him off.

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Sharks have no reason to trade Setoguchi unless a top-4 d-man is going the other way...

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No thanks.

Setoguchi currently looks better than he did in his 65 point season. He is skating hard, finishing hits with authority, and scoring goals again.

With Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Nichol, Viedensky, Wingels, and Charlie Coyle we are good on centers, so Maxwell isn't someone worth pursuing.

You could argue that Kositsyn is marginally better than Setoguchi, but I don't see Wilson trading a Canadian for a Russian when the difference is marginal (and I personally prefer Setoguchi's style, abilities, and upside to Andrei's).

In essence this does nothing for San Jose.

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I don't think the sharks would do it.

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I wouldn't do it from a Habs POV.

1 for 1 maybe, but even then it would be a tough call.

Setoguchi is playing on a much better offensive team, behind a bevy of skilled offensive players who take the attention of opposing teams top defensive players, and yet he's on pace for 33 pts...

he did have the one 30 goal-65pt season, but I'm willing to bet that A.Kost would have one of those, if not more, under his belt at this point had he played a season next to Jumbo Joe.


Kost gets consistently underrated, and as much as he doesn't fit into Jaques Martin's plans (and therefore gets a quick yank whenever he struggles), I don't know that Seto would fare any better.

no need or reason for the habs to make the swap, let alone add a prospect to the deal.

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no thanks. not trading a RFA for an UFA, unless its a bigger upgrade.

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no thanks. not trading a RFA for an UFA, unless its a bigger upgrade.
No UFA's here.

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02-16-2011, 07:55 PM
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No UFA's here.
i thought AK was an UFA. my mistake.

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I don't think the sharks would do it.
Sharks wouldn't do it now because they can't afford it. In the off-season, I doubt it as Setoguchi is rounding out as a player. His offensive numbers are not where they used to be but he's a much better hockey player now than when he had his 31 goal campaign.

Plus, his next contract will still be substantially cheaper than Kostitsyn's and he provides attributes the Sharks can't afford to lose right now and the main one is speed. Speed that will come cheap until he breaks out again offensively. Even when he's not scoring, he's helping the team and at a good cap hit.

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How about AK And Hammer
for Setoguchi and a 3rd ?

Once our D-core is back and healthy.

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How about AK And Hammer
for Setoguchi and a 3rd ?

Once our D-core is back and healthy.
With what cap space?

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02-16-2011, 08:12 PM
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With what cap space?
How much does SJ have in cap ?

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As a Habs' fan, I'd pull the trigger on that one. It would very much be a trade along the lines of Pouliot for Latendresse, two guys kind of struggling to find their game.

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How much does SJ have in cap ?
Sharks have a whole 570k of cap space which means they can acquire a player with a full season figure of 1.7 mil. Hamrlik and Kostitsyn combine for 8.75 and Seto only has a 1.8 hit. There is simply no making up that 5 million figure that's the difference between the Montreal two, Seto, and the remaining cap space the Sharks have.

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Sharks have a whole 570k of cap space which means they can acquire a player with a full season figure of 1.7 mil. Hamrlik and Kostitsyn combine for 8.75 and Seto only has a 1.8 hit. There is simply no making up that 5 million figure that's the difference between the Montreal two, Seto, and the remaining cap space the Sharks have.
Hmmm . Seto for AK and a D prospect ?

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I wouldn't do it from a Habs POV.

1 for 1 maybe, but even then it would be a tough call.

Setoguchi is playing on a much better offensive team, behind a bevy of skilled offensive players who take the attention of opposing teams top defensive players, and yet he's on pace for 33 pts...

he did have the one 30 goal-65pt season, but I'm willing to bet that A.Kost would have one of those, if not more, under his belt at this point had he played a season next to Jumbo Joe.


Kost gets consistently underrated, and as much as he doesn't fit into Jaques Martin's plans (and therefore gets a quick yank whenever he struggles), I don't know that Seto would fare any better.

no need or reason for the habs to make the swap, let alone add a prospect to the deal.
I would have an Oscar had I been casted for hurt locker, can I put that on my resume? No. Doesn't matter what u could of done, only what u have done. So there's no point In arguing that point. Remember, mark bell was supposed to be a 40 goal winger with jumbo. What happened there?

Ultimately, value doesn't even matter like I said before. Unless it's a 2/3 2 way dman coming back, the sharks are not gonna trade a core player.

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02-16-2011, 08:40 PM
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Hmmm . Seto for AK and a D prospect ?
I can't speak for DW but if I were him, I would not be interested in making a forward swap and especially if the incoming is going to hog more cap space. Their need is to add a top four d-man and maintain their strengths which is a deep group of forwards. If there's a deal to be had out there, it will be trading salaries like Huskins and/or Mitchell plus whatever off-roster assets are required to get that top four d-man. Guys like Setoguchi are not going to be moved during the season.

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As a Habs' fan, I'd pull the trigger on that one. It would very much be a trade along the lines of Pouliot for Latendresse, two guys kind of struggling to find their game.
Lately Setoguchi has discovered his game and for once it doesn't appear to involve skanky women in SJ.

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I would have an Oscar had I been casted for hurt locker, can I put that on my resume?
you need an acting example to make your point? really?

and going with your emphasis on "what you have done", bottom line is that Kost, a player who is maddeningly inconsistent, has been much more consistent/reliable than Setoguchi has been, and has the same ppg despite playing on a much weaker offensive team... so when you put it that way, all the more reason for the habs to not want even a 1 for 1 swap...

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