Agree. I am beginning to think Kopitar can't be the straw that stirs any drink, but he could definitely be the fruit and the cute umbrella.
I am not saying to get Hemsky necessarily, just agreeing that a playmaker on Kopitar's line with him being told to shoot everything he touches might not be a bad idea.
You're scaring me with these effeminette references. I'm going to have to keep Jr. away from you!
Hemsky overpaid? Seriously? That's ridiculous. A Guy of his talent typically costs a million or two more than 4.1 cap hit. Hemsky is either perfectly paid or underpaid. No way in hell is he overpaid.
He is not overpaid relative to his cap hit, far from it.
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Too steep. Not interested in stocking up your team for the next 7 or 8 years.
I would have interest in Hemsky if the price was right, but it seems to be going up.
You have to give to get, that said I can see why you'd be somewhat reluctant to make that trade.
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Hell to the no.
Hemskt and penned for tuebert, Simmonds, Richardson, ma cliche, 1st.
I'm really not that interested in Teubert, what are Richardson's and Ma Cliche's stories? IMO this sounds like you guys getting away with highway robbery.
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Tempting, but the org is extremely high on Toffoli right now.
The going price according to some is a high-level prospect and a 1st. Well Simmonds is better than a high-level prospect, Teubert was a 1st and the 2nd is some nice sweetener.
What is Simmonds upside? I hear a lot of people say that he'll be a 3rd liner, he'd have to have 2nd line upside for me to pull the trigger on that trade without a 1st rounder coming my way.
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What is Simmonds upside? I hear a lot of people say that he'll be a 3rd liner, he'd have to have 2nd line upside for me to pull the trigger on that trade without a 1st rounder coming my way.
Your fanbase wouldn't like that deal, the value is there however, but it is too steep of a price, and too many assets for LA.
I would do Simmonds, Voynov, Toffoli, 2011 1st for Hemsky + Penner.
Toff is putting up elite type numbers in juniors right now. He's are only winger prospect with top line upside. I say take out TT, add Forbort and Moller.
Hemsky is not a bonafide top end talent. He hasn't even broken the 80 point barrier in his career. Plus he's overpaid and his contract is short. I'm kind of skeptical of that type of move, Kings aren't in position to make a cup run...yet.
Not a top end talent, according to you. Dreger, Maclain, MacKenzie all have stated he is a top 3 on most teams he would be top three on the Kings that's for sure. Kings not in a position for a cup run well was Edmonton in 06 before WE MADE TRADES. added Roloson, Specek, Tanstrom and Samsinov. Unless you do something you will never be in a position for a run
Not a top end talent, according to you. Dreger, Maclain, MacKenzie all have stated he is a top 3 on most teams he would be top three on the Kings that's for sure. Kings not in a position for a cup run well was Edmonton in 06 before WE MADE TRADES. added Roloson, Specek, Tanstrom and Samsinov. Unless you do something you will never be in a position for a run
Toff is putting up elite type numbers in juniors right now. He's are only winger prospect with top line upside. I say take out TT, add Forbort and Moller.
I'm really not that interested in Teubert, what are Richardson's and Ma Cliche's stories? IMO this sounds like you guys getting away with highway robbery.
Cliche lost a year of development two years ago to ashoulder injury... or was it three? When Denis gauthier destroyed him in training camp. Cliche is a checking line center and a leader. Believe he is captain of our ahl club. His game has really started to cone around this year.
Richardson you will love. Jack of all trades player who will outhustle everyone on your team. He can play on any line. Richie is an NHL player whereas Cliche would be ready to anchor down your 4th line, if not 3rd starting next season.
Too steep. Not interested in stocking up your team for the next 7 or 8 years.
I would have interest in Hemsky if the price was right, but it seems to be going up.
Says who? The internet fantasy trade world?
I love the entertainment of proposals and I guess the debate can be interesting but people get too wrapped up in it and think they are actually trading the players over the internet.
Pretty much, as stacked as the Kings are in terms of their prospect pool it will still take time before the Schenn's, Toffolli's, etc. are ready and by then Smyth maybe too old, the cap will be tighter, etc. The appeal with Hemsky and Penner IMO is that both are signed for next year and both would probably happily remain in LA once their contracts are up.
What is Simmonds upside? I hear a lot of people say that he'll be a 3rd liner, he'd have to have 2nd line upside for me to pull the trigger on that trade without a 1st rounder coming my way.
Simmonds is starting to look like a tweener between a 2nd and 3rd liner that can play some games on the 1st line and be effective if the team catches an injury bug.
Lots of energy, takes the body, not afraid to scrap. He is going to have a nice career in the NHL. I can see him potting 15 goals on average and 30 points.
I see you might want something other than Teubert, but I think your GM is pretty high on him so not sure what Tambellini would be looking for instead.
I love the entertainment of proposals and I guess the debate can be interesting but people get too wrapped up in it and think they are actually trading the players over the internet.
Well, when I get information that teams looking to get Hemsky are starting to talk about tossing in a 1st round pick, that is more than the original rumors, so the price looks like it is going up.
Most of these are repeated 3 or 4 times for the same injury. Do you work for The Enquirer by any chance?
Not to mention the same people who bash Hemsky for his long list of injuries are probably behind Lombardi re-signing Justin Williams. There really is no one player out there who fits the mystical bill of "the right fit". The Kings will eventually have to make a move and hope, for once in this God forsaken teams history, that a guy like Hemsky comes to LA and flourishes. It's possible, much like Justin Williams, that Hemsky gets here and plays 82 games next season. It's also possible he hits his head surfing and misses half the season.
Not a top end talent, according to you. Dreger, Maclain, MacKenzie all have stated he is a top 3 on most teams he would be top three on the Kings that's for sure. Kings not in a position for a cup run well was Edmonton in 06 before WE MADE TRADES. added Roloson, Specek, Tanstrom and Samsinov. Unless you do something you will never be in a position for a run
That simply isn't true. You actually can build a team to win a cup, not just take you to the finals but win the cup. It takes time and it takes skill but it can be done. Adding Roloson, Spacek, Tarnstrom and Samsinov just show how far away your actual team was to winning a cup on its own. How well have to Oilers done since that single run?
This team is being built for a long haul run at the cup, not a one year wonder. We want to keep on being able to make a run at the cup and until we have to org depth to do so we are going to have to do our best to build with a presence and a mindset that is about winning the cup.
What do I mean? I mean that we need to play like we are going to win the cup with the team that we have and let our management fill any holes that the team might have. Our players need to do their jobs and let the rest take care of itself.
How would adding Hemsky be "the piece" to our winning a cup when we simply can't count on him being in the line up long enough to make the impact that we would need?
Say anything you want but he has missed a significant amount of games over the past 6 years and hasn't had a healthy season in a long time. What we don't need is a team that becomes expectant on one player, changes the way that we play because of the talents of that one player and then struggle while we try and overcome the loss of that same single player.
Hemsky is just too often injured to give up too much. The fact that he would be a top 3 player on our team to me says that he, or whoever we put in that position will be very important to our overall success and will relied on to be a consistent, steady performer and not someone that we go into knowing that they are very fragile.
The same goes with Booth, four concussions, one of which is a very serious concussion inside of a season and a third says no thank you to me.
We have kids who are developing into being capable of filling the holes that we have and have kids behind them developing to fill the holes that they will leave in most positions. We aren't there yet but we are extremely close.
If we are going to move a roster player and depth to get a legitimate top three forward then they simply should be the kind that we can count on and want to keep for years adding them to our core. Not someone who we think will be great as long as they stay healthy and then if they don't they are only signed for another season or two.
Well, when I get information that teams looking to get Hemsky are starting to talk about tossing in a 1st round pick, that is more than the original rumors, so the price looks like it is going up.
What teams, though? Are you hearing/reading that from fans or people in the media? I mean who gives a **** what someone on the internet says that Edmonton wants unless it is substantiated by the org, the media or both.
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Not to mention the same people who bash Hemsky for his long list of injuries are probably behind Lombardi re-signing Justin Williams. There really is no one player out there who fits the mystical bill of "the right fit". The Kings will eventually have to make a move and hope, for once in this God forsaken teams history, that a guy like Hemsky comes to LA and flourishes. It's possible, much like Justin Williams, that Hemsky gets here and plays 82 games next season. It's also possible he hits his head surfing and misses half the season.
That simply isn't true. You actually can build a team to win a cup, not just take you to the finals but win the cup. It takes time and it takes skill but it can be done. Adding Roloson, Spacek, Tarnstrom and Samsinov just show how far away your actual team was to winning a cup on its own. How well have to Oilers done since that single run?
This team is being built for a long haul run at the cup, not a one year wonder. We want to keep on being able to make a run at the cup and until we have to org depth to do so we are going to have to do our best to build with a presence and a mindset that is about winning the cup.
What do I mean? I mean that we need to play like we are going to win the cup with the team that we have and let our management fill any holes that the team might have. Our players need to do their jobs and let the rest take care of itself.
How would adding Hemsky be "the piece" to our winning a cup when we simply can't count on him being in the line up long enough to make the impact that we would need?
Say anything you want but he has missed a significant amount of games over the past 6 years and hasn't had a healthy season in a long time. What we don't need is a team that becomes expectant on one player, changes the way that we play because of the talents of that one player and then struggle while we try and overcome the loss of that same single player.
Hemsky is just too often injured to give up too much. The fact that he would be a top 3 player on our team to me says that he, or whoever we put in that position will be very important to our overall success and will relied on to be a consistent, steady performer and not someone that we go into knowing that they are very fragile.
The same goes with Booth, four concussions, one of which is a very serious concussion inside of a season and a third says no thank you to me.
We have kids who are developing into being capable of filling the holes that we have and have kids behind them developing to fill the holes that they will leave in most positions. We aren't there yet but we are extremely close.
If we are going to move a roster player and depth to get a legitimate top three forward then they simply should be the kind that we can count on and want to keep for years adding them to our core. Not someone who we think will be great as long as they stay healthy and then if they don't they are only signed for another season or two.
That equals fail.
I agree you have prospects that will fill holes but by then some of your top end talent will be getting old or move on because of UFA status. Wait all you want but there comes a time that the window of winning passes by better make sure you don't wait to long sometimes a chance is all you need. As for going after cups for years to come look at Pitt they have 2 of the top 5 players in the NHL did they win multiple cups make the finals for 5 years straight, even they had to add to get to the finals
I agree you have prospects that will fill holes but by then some of your top end talent will be getting old or move on because of UFA status. Wait all you want but there comes a time that the window of winning passes by better make sure you don't wait to long sometimes a chance is all you need. As for going after cups for years to come look at Pitt they have 2 of the top 5 players in the NHL did they win multiple cups make the finals for 5 years straight, even they had to add to get to the finals
Which ones will be getting old?
Our best players are either signed for another 4 years at least, or can't even get to UFA status until then.
Our best players are either signed for another 4 years at least, or can't even get to UFA status until then.
Smyth plays top six min, can he do that for 3 more years plus he's a UFA after next year, Williams don't know much about him, as for the other players yes they are signed up for a long time and that's great but I thought this was about winning soon or now. The team you have (and I'm a kings fan next to the Oil) aren't even in the playoffs to date (1 point behind) I'm saying if you could add Hemsky while giving up a bit of the future to put your team over the top wouldn't you look at it. Hemsky is only 27 could re-sing long term and is a 70-80 point guy.
Simmonds is starting to look like a tweener between a 2nd and 3rd liner that can play some games on the 1st line and be effective if the team catches an injury bug.
Lots of energy, takes the body, not afraid to scrap. He is going to have a nice career in the NHL. I can see him potting 15 goals on average and 30 points.
I see you might want something other than Teubert, but I think your GM is pretty high on him so not sure what Tambellini would be looking for instead.
That simply isn't true. You actually can build a team to win a cup, not just take you to the finals but win the cup. It takes time and it takes skill but it can be done. Adding Roloson, Spacek, Tarnstrom and Samsinov just show how far away your actual team was to winning a cup on its own. How well have to Oilers done since that single run?
This team is being built for a long haul run at the cup, not a one year wonder. We want to keep on being able to make a run at the cup and until we have to org depth to do so we are going to have to do our best to build with a presence and a mindset that is about winning the cup.
What do I mean? I mean that we need to play like we are going to win the cup with the team that we have and let our management fill any holes that the team might have. Our players need to do their jobs and let the rest take care of itself.
How would adding Hemsky be "the piece" to our winning a cup when we simply can't count on him being in the line up long enough to make the impact that we would need?
Say anything you want but he has missed a significant amount of games over the past 6 years and hasn't had a healthy season in a long time. What we don't need is a team that becomes expectant on one player, changes the way that we play because of the talents of that one player and then struggle while we try and overcome the loss of that same single player.
Hemsky is just too often injured to give up too much. The fact that he would be a top 3 player on our team to me says that he, or whoever we put in that position will be very important to our overall success and will relied on to be a consistent, steady performer and not someone that we go into knowing that they are very fragile.
The same goes with Booth, four concussions, one of which is a very serious concussion inside of a season and a third says no thank you to me.
We have kids who are developing into being capable of filling the holes that we have and have kids behind them developing to fill the holes that they will leave in most positions. We aren't there yet but we are extremely close.
If we are going to move a roster player and depth to get a legitimate top three forward then they simply should be the kind that we can count on and want to keep for years adding them to our core. Not someone who we think will be great as long as they stay healthy and then if they don't they are only signed for another season or two.
