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02-16-2011, 01:00 PM
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I was at the Isles game and, to my eyes he played well. Last night he made a CRUCIAL shotblock that may have helped gain us a point. I realize he's had a god-awful season at times, but unless there's something better out there, we need him. A playoff run will help make this team more attractive to players that we're trying to bring here in the summer. AND, my gut feeling is that if we get in, he's going to want to atone for his **** show last year against the Bruins.
He's been pretty unremarkable most nights this season. I was expecting him to show that his horrible showing in the playoffs was not who he is as a player by, ya'know, playing well during the season following but instead he's been in a funk.

And as for his play in the Islanders game, his turnovers on the late powerplay? His inability to recover pucks? That sort of basic stuff compared with Stafford finishing on a couple of flashy plays is the troubleing aspect. I don't see him as a difference maker any longer -- it's been five years since the Schaefer hit and he's not and likely never will be the guy we saw in the first 6 games of the '06 playoff run.

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02-16-2011, 01:02 PM
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If the previous regime (Golisano/Quinn/Regier) were still in control, you could bet the house they'd keep Connolly under the charade that he makes them a contender in the playoffs - just like they've been saying the past 10 years.

However, I think Pegula is wise and savvy enough by all reports to know that:

1) No matter what kind of moves the team makes at the deadline, short of a complete overhaul, the Sabres will not win the Cup this year.

2) Connolly's past is well-documented - they haven't won anything with him so getting an asset back, even if just a draft pick, while shedding his contract, is smart business.

The biggest question really IMO is not if the Sabres can/should deal Connolly but moreso, will any other team be interested in him or view him as favorably as Regier always has.

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02-16-2011, 01:04 PM
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ideally - connolly for a pick, pick+ for a body.

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02-16-2011, 01:07 PM
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He has been better lately, but you still have to deal him if there is any interest for him out there.

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02-16-2011, 01:09 PM
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Connolly has been a little bit better lately, but he still has not looked good in general most nights. With his track record, I don't have enough faith in him not to deal him at the deadline if we can get a decent return.

This does bring up the question of who to replace him with, however, and that's a very valid question. IMO, we could bring up Adam and as long as he works hard I don't think we'll be missing much compared to what Connolly would most likely bring. I think we will end up keeping him until the end of the season, though.

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02-16-2011, 01:17 PM
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Trade him. I don't think their chances of making the playoffs change much without him, and the market is so high, they gotta sell what they can. If they can get a pick in the first two rounds, or a pick-plus, I think they gotta do it.

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02-16-2011, 01:24 PM
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He's been pretty unremarkable most nights this season. I was expecting him to show that his horrible showing in the playoffs was not who he is as a player by, ya'know, playing well during the season following but instead he's been in a funk.
I think it's more a case of just plain apathy on Connolly's part rather than being stuck in some inexplicable rut. He's never been one of the more passionate or He must be aware to some extent of how the media and fans blame him for a lot of the team's problems and the lure of playing near his Syracuse roots likely has worn off long ago. It wouldn't surprise me if Connolly would welcome a change of scenery - if not via trade, he's surely going to explore the UFA market.

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02-16-2011, 01:36 PM
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I wonder if he'll disappear now as opposed to in the actual postseason, if we were to make it. Since this next stretch is technically playoff hockey for us, will he still bring it every night?


Trade him if you can get a return.

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02-16-2011, 01:58 PM
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Sell him. Is this a year to go deep into the playoffs? No. Sell him at the deadline when he can return something for the future, an additional high-mid-round pick for the upcoming year perhaps.
This is a maddening dilemma. The East is pretty weak this year and the Sabres are beating teams left and right. Currently, they are only 'close' to a playoff spot, and who's to guarantee the wheels don't come off?

Tough call, this team could go either way.

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02-16-2011, 02:16 PM
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A+B= his contract is expiring so trade him for a top 6 center (using one or two of our other numerous trade chips) because he's our only proven top 6 center.

bottom line is, while he serves a purpose his purpose needs an upgrade. send him to a team that desperately needs a center but either doesnt need a #1 or doesnt have the assets to get one.. get some trade pieces back, then parlay those pieces along with some we already have to another team for that #1 we need.

not easy, but that should be the agenda imo.

then offload one of grier niedermayer or rivet to replace some lost assets in the other trade and use some of our reserves (kaleta, ellis, etc.)

this shouldnt be a stand pat deadline, we are in a position to offload some deadweight AND upgrade our team.. we have the pieces to do it, no excuses, show some effort and try to get it done.
This....100xxxxxxx

This deadline is not for rebuilding but it should be to aquire 1 (ONE) player that will help this team for at least a few years. ONE player. Offload 1, 2 or 3 of the players not on the short list, get ONE player for the future and let the kids play...see what they can do.....and Weber, Ennis and Gerbe get better with every game...let em play!

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02-16-2011, 02:38 PM
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I voted "no" only because I doubt the return will be high enough to justify leaving us with no top-6 center at all when we have a very good chance of making the playoffs and a reasonable chance of winning a series. I don't subscribe to the "Cup or bust" philosophy. Missing the playoffs just sucks too much. Obviously, if we can get a good enough return, I'd trade Connolly or most of the team. Connolly for a 2nd? Not worth it to me.

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This is a maddening dilemma. The East is pretty weak this year and the Sabres are beating teams left and right. Currently, they are only 'close' to a playoff spot, and who's to guarantee the wheels don't come off?

Tough call, this team could go either way.
It is both tough and maddening. They would have to give his minutes to others, including any possible addition they could make (or promotion).

Float him out there to teams looking for centers or ones looking for a specialist player and see what they're willing to offer. I suspect Regier will not move him -- hell I fear that he will re-sign the guy and trumpet it as a roster move like he did two years ago. But that doesn't mean I don't think they should finally try to get something for him.

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02-17-2011, 01:26 PM
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Should they move him? Yes

Will they move him? No

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02-17-2011, 01:55 PM
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I said "yes" based on what I would like to happen, but I don't think it will.

They can be both buyers and sellers in a way that might be lateral this season but positive for the future. Tim isn't exactly playing well for us. If they can move him for something and then replace the roster spot with someone who will be here next year, that'd be great.

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Trade him. Be buyers/sellers at the deadline.

I could see Pittsburgh taking a shot at him;

Tim Connolly for Dustin Jeffrey

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2) Connolly's past is well-documented - they haven't won anything with him so getting an asset back, even if just a draft pick, while shedding his contract, is smart business.
Well by this logic, than I suppose we might as well trade Miller, Myers, and everyone else on the team for "assets". It's ridiculous when people make the argument that one player is hurting or helping a team exponentially. Hockey is more a team game than any other major sport. I highly doubt Connolly is keeping this team from winning a cup.

I say keep him. You're not going to find many forwards with his numbers available at the deadline. At least we know with Timmy what we are getting: Excellent PK, playoff experience, solid playmaker, weak on the puck, and crappy on the draws. That's better than reaching for someone just because he isnt Connolly.

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Trading him for a 3rd round and taking the chance to lose millions in revenues if we make the playoffs is a complete non-sense.

If we get someone in return that can help the team right now, i have no problems otherwise, no.

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02-17-2011, 04:07 PM
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Sell him to the highest bidder. He hasn't been that instrumental in the recent push anyway.

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The situation probably gives Darcy a chance to set the price and hold his ground.

"Not a fan of rental players"...
"Will be looking for guys we can get a couple of seasons out of"...

Last year Matt Cullen fetched a 2nd and Picard...

Would you have traded Connolly for a guy like Jack Skille and a 2nd?

One thing that is interesting is that Darcy has some young dmen to play with. Do you consider loading a player like Brayden McNabb into a deal to compel that counterpart to give you what you want?

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He's an excellent PK'er. Without Roy I want his PK experience.

We should be beating the doors for another center and give Connolly to McCormick and Gerbe. Add Weiss to the top 6 and all of a sudden this is a much deeper team come April.

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This.

I can't believe some of the things that people are posting around here. Saywhat you will about Timmy, but he is the ONLY top 6 center left on the roster. If you trade him for a late 2nd, you're basically conceding your intentions to remain competitive and prepare for the postseason. As others have mentioned, our PK also takes a big hit if he's traded. Who centers the 2nd line if he's shipped by the way, Byron? That would be pathetic.

I guess this is HF Boards where mid to late 2nd rounders are like gold but man, I seriously need to question some people's fanhood when they want Connolly gone for a mid rounder.

Look at The Flyers las year. Montreal. How about the Oilers in 06'? The Sabres of 99'? Anything can happen in the postseason, and as also mentioned, the easy is wide, wide open and totally capable of seeing some upsets (Tampa, Pittsburgh minus Malkin, etc.)

Based on the way this team has come together in the past months, I seriously believe we are a more rested Miller and additional Top 6 center from surprising many in the playoffs this year.

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Trading him for a 3rd round and taking the chance to lose millions in revenues if we make the playoffs is a complete non-sense.
Maybe if your interest in the team is a financial one and not a hockey one. Otherwise, **** revenue. Revenue is, at most, a means to an end. It shouldn't be the deciding factor, or even a substantial one, in a trade decision.

Relying on this heartless fragile bum has cost us far more important things than first round playoff revenue. It's time to set a precedent with new ownership - if you don't compete, and compete even more when it really matters, then you're not going to be a Sabre.


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The situation probably gives Darcy a chance to set the price and hold his ground.

"Not a fan of rental players"...
"Will be looking for guys we can get a couple of seasons out of"...

Last year Matt Cullen fetched a 2nd and Picard...

Would you have traded Connolly for a guy like Jack Skille and a 2nd?

One thing that is interesting is that Darcy has some young dmen to play with. Do you consider loading a player like Brayden McNabb into a deal to compel that counterpart to give you what you want?
It would be tough to lose McNabb, but I wonder what a prospect like Pysyk could bring in. I hated the pick at the time, and although I don't quite hate it as much now, I still am
not a fan of taking the "safe" mobile d-man who probably turns into a decent #4-5 down the road. I would love to see what a Pysyk and pick/prospect package could do for our center depth

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Maybe if your interest in the team is a financial one and not a hockey one. Otherwise, **** revenue. Revenue is, at most, a means to an end. It shouldn't be the deciding factor, or even a substantial one, in a trade decision.

Relying on this heartless fragile bum has cost us far more important things than first round playoff revenue. It's time to set a precedent with new ownership - if you don't compete, and compete even more when it really matters, then you're not going to be a Sabre.
Financial or not, what is the interest of getting a 3rd round for him ??? Odds for drafting a player that will have an impact is so slim !!! I don't talk about the end of the year and anyone who have common sense, owner that like hockey or not would never blew a chance to be in playoffs for a 3rd rounder.

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Financial or not, what is the interest of getting a 3rd round for him ??? Odds for drafting a player that will have an impact is so slim !!! I don't talk about the end of the year and anyone who have common sense, owner that like hockey or not would never blew a chance to be in playoffs for a 3rd rounder.
The tin man won't be much help getting us into the playoffs, and he's shown nothing to make me think he'll perform at even a mediocre level when the intensity gets turned up in the postseason.

He's not an impact player, he's the anti-clutch, and I really don't think we'll miss him when he's gone.


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I would keep Timmy for the playoff push.

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