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02-17-2011, 01:37 PM
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Honestly that was such a softball question to Leino, that if he hadn't give that response he would have been ridiculed.

It was obvious he wants to finish out this season before he signed any contract, need that be before July 1st or not. So this was just a win-win situation for him.

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Agreed. The only good thing is he's buried in the minors but the bad thing is, if Boosh or Bob get injured and Leighton is recalled, someone could grab him and we'd be in trouble.
I'm intrigued by what, in the league's opinion, would constitute an emergency recall. While I doubt it would be for a run-of-the-mill injury, at what point would Holmgren be able to recall Leighton under the 'emergency' banner and avoid recall waivers? Dandy, though, that this would probably be another subjective area of Bettman's personal fiat, under which Boucher and Bob would have to be dead, and every other goaltender in the Flyers system trapped in some sort of Adirondack mining disaster.

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Shelley hasn't won a single fight this year, imo. Benching Z in favor of Shelley is lunacy.
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The Zherdev deal is what it is.

Great character move by Leino. I really like to see that.

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The Zherdev deal is what it is.

Great character move by Leino. I really like to see that.
What can you do?.......?

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I'm intrigued by what, in the league's opinion, would constitute an emergency recall. While I doubt it would be for a run-of-the-mill injury, at what point would Holmgren be able to recall Leighton under the 'emergency' banner and avoid recall waivers? Dandy, though, that this would probably be another subjective area of Bettman's personal fiat, under which Boucher and Bob would have to be dead, and every other goaltender in the Flyers system trapped in some sort of Adirondack mining disaster.
Honestly, I could only see that happening if literally every other goalie in North America that is Flyers' property were hurt.

If you allow Leighton to play on an emergency recall it totally negates the purpose of re-entry waivers.

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Honestly, I could only see that happening if literally every other goalie in North America that is Flyers' property were hurt.

If you allow Leighton to play on an emergency recall it totally negates the purpose of re-entry waivers.
Well, not totally. Re-entry waivers would still give a GM pause to bring up a player to just give a sagging team a boost, or to replace a player who merely isn't playing well. Where there is a clear need further to injury, particularly for goaltenders, what are the criteria that constitute 'emergency'? Let's say Boucher and Bob both get injured during a game-day practice, and both have to go on IR. Would Bettman block an emergency recall of Leighton and force Holmgren to bring up an ECHL goalie? Let's further complicate the scenario: the ECHL affiliate is out west, the Flyers are in New York, Phantoms have an off day and have a light practice in Adirondack, and the game starts in 3 hours. Surely that would be an 'emergency', no? There is no physical way to have a professional backup goaltender. The Flyers could be doubly screwed in this scenario, as I believe both Leighton and Backlund are re-entry waivers eligible.

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I think Zherdev was a worthwhile signing and should be in the lineup. The coach just doesn't care for him for whatever reason, but I don't think it was a mistake on Holmgren's part to take a shot on him.

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Honestly that was such a softball question to Leino, that if he hadn't give that response he would have been ridiculed.

It was obvious he wants to finish out this season before he signed any contract, need that be before July 1st or not. So this was just a win-win situation for him.
Holmgren isn't Burke, he wouldn't have re-signed Leino and then throw him under the bus in the media. You wouldn't have heard about it if that were the case.

I guarantee a fair share of players (who in their career have yet to be paid decent bucks) would have answered differently. I think it's awesome on Leino. I think your theory is a tad cynical, and that's coming from a huge cynic

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Holmgren isn't Burke, he wouldn't have re-signed Leino and then throw him under the bus in the media. You wouldn't have heard about it if that were the case.

I guarantee a fair share of players (who in their career have yet to be paid decent bucks) would have answered differently. I think it's awesome on Leino. I think your theory is a tad cynical, and that's coming from a huge cynic
Haha maybe I am cynical. But I doubt you see a player who has yet to sign a contract, and has been offered few different options over the year, say that he would rather have signed a contract than win the Cup.

Leino doesn't seem like he wasn't to sign a contract at this point, and he wants to win the Cup. That question just seemed too perfect for him.

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This is the same thing I hear all the time. Montreal Sports Radio, OTtawa Sports Radio, TSN, RDS, Sportsnet, SCORE, Fan590, etc. They all praise Homer for the great job he has done with this team. It is truly amazing how we have this team under the salary cap. This is from Bob Mckensie on Ottawa Sports Radio:

"Yes, it is hard to believe. I actually took out my calculator the other day to add up the Flyer salaries myself. It is hard to believe they can fit this team under the salary cap. But somehow, they can"

How awesome is that! How can we have 9 potential 20 goal scorers, 6 quality defense (best in the league) with two solid goaltenders under the cap? Most teams have a hard time getting two solid lines under the cap.

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Very admirable of HolmgreM.....wonder if HolmgreN would do the same?

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Mike or Paul Holmgren?


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Very admirable of HolmgreM.....wonder if HolmgreN would do the same?
Haha my bad. I did it on my iPod and the letters are close together

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Very admirable of HolmgreM.....wonder if HolmgreN would do the same?
I laughed when I read the title of this thread. Holmgrem sounds funny.

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Speaking of Leino by the way, there’s been a lot of talk regarding a contract extension. Both sides have been talking and were gaining some traction. Recently Holmgren approached Leino and gave him an option. Sources say he told Leino we can get the deal done now or add Versteeg and wait until after the season. Leino responded quickly “I want to win a Cup”.
Wow, I that really happened, that's pretty damn awesome for Leino

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Haha my bad. I did it on my iPod and the letters are close together
No problem like Oysterhead said the name sounded funny....I thought of a Gremlin...which I guess for some particularly last year would be a befitting name

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Honestly that was such a softball question to Leino, that if he hadn't give that response he would have been ridiculed.

It was obvious he wants to finish out this season before he signed any contract, need that be before July 1st or not. So this was just a win-win situation for him.
Not exactly a win-win. he is an injury away from being unemployed.

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Not exactly a win-win. he is an injury away from being unemployed.






Or an injury away from being worth a lot less. You make a good point, an ACL tear or a concussion could make this a bad decision for Leino. He moves up a couple of notches in my books for putting the team first. Really hope we can get him re-upped.

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I wonder what Ville's agent thinks of the decision?

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I wonder what Ville's agent thinks of the decision?
I'd assume he's happy there will be teams willing to pay more july 1st if the flyers don't.

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I'd assume he's happy there will be teams willing to pay more july 1st if the flyers don't.


Really? Guaranteed contract now against playing out the season and risking injury and possibly getting nothing? Or a possible bad playoff performance? No guarantees in waiting.

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I'd like to see Carcillo sent anywhere and make room for Zherdev/Shelley.

Shelley can at least win fights and Zherdev has skill. Z is just not a team guy. He is SOOO gone this offseason.
I actually think he will be waived after the trade deadline.

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I actually think he will be waived after the trade deadline.



Disagree. He played half decent on Richie's wing against Florida. Not going to say he won't be moved eventually, but he's playing instead of Zherdev so that should speak volumes right now. He's not going to be waived after we gave up Upshall and a 2nd to get him IMO. Homer knows we'll probably need him if we run into the Bruins.

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