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02-18-2011, 12:28 AM
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Gilroy was better than MDZ for possibly a strech of 3-4, maybe 5 games.

He's bad.

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02-18-2011, 07:58 AM
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so Gilroy played just under 12 Min had an even rating and didnt take a penalty what exactly do you want out of a third pair D Man ?
I agree...Delzotto gives the puck away in his zone every shift and took another horrible penalty last night, but let's pick on Gilroy who's +5...

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Matt Gilroy is last in the NHL in...
Power play production for defenseman
Ridiculous statement, where does he rank in the league in actual time on the PP?

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02-18-2011, 08:52 AM
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Gilroy isnt a star and never will be a star. What he is, is a solid player who is improving his defensive side of the game and is doing it on the fly for a team with playoff ambitions and plenty of other young players around him.

Is he expendable? Yes. But that doesnt mean he isnt a good member of this squad.
For someone who isnt killing the team, he doesnt half get a lot of attention.

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Gilroy isnt a star and never will be a star. What he is, is a solid player who is improving his defensive side of the game and is doing it on the fly for a team with playoff ambitions and plenty of other young players around him.

Is he expendable? Yes. But that doesnt mean he isnt a good member of this squad.
Obviously Torts tells him to be more responsible defensively, limiting his offense, playing with Delzotto he has to stay back while MDZ pinches, limiting his offense...

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02-18-2011, 09:09 AM
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and to think we were ''lucky'' to have signed this guy outa college. hobey winner. sought after undrafted free agent. offensive dman. blah blah blah.

again, was the almighty gordie clark involved in this decision. hmmm....

good luck trading him, hes got little to no vlaue to anyone who watches our games. i dont see us resigning him. hes history if vtank or kundratek continue making strides. and pashnin is still lurking too.

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02-18-2011, 09:23 AM
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I would think most of our entire team is at the bottom or near bottom for PP points considering we have one of the worse if not worse power play in the league.

So yeah, let's pick on Gilroy. Come on people.

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02-18-2011, 09:23 AM
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No points on the Power Play...yet he's a +5.

...and did someone refer to him as a "midfielder"? This isn't soccer.

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02-18-2011, 09:48 AM
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No points on the Power Play...yet he's a +5.

...and did someone refer to him as a "midfielder"? This isn't soccer.
Power play and penalty kill doesn't factor into +/-

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yet he's a +5.
Haters will still hate....

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and to think we were ''lucky'' to have signed this guy outa college. hobey winner. sought after undrafted free agent. offensive dman. blah blah blah.

again, was the almighty gordie clark involved in this decision. hmmm....

good luck trading him, hes got little to no vlaue to anyone who watches our games. i dont see us resigning him. hes history if vtank or kundratek continue making strides. and pashnin is still lurking too.

Pashnin will never play for the Rangers.

And if Valentenko were highly regarded by the Rangers he would have had an opportunity at some point this season with injuries, and Del Zotto and Gilroy having struggles. He's been FAR passed by Sauer and McDonagh. And its obvious that no matter how much Del Zotto struggles early in his career they're going to stick with him, and rightfully so, he scored 30+ points as a 19 year old rookie.

Staal. Girardi
McDonagh. Sauer
Del Zotto. ____

There will be ONE spot open moving forward, and the Rangers have already been looking for veteran help. That, and McIlrath will be given an opportunity sooner then people probably think, just like Del Zotto and Stepan.

McIlrath is way further up the depth chart then Valentenko, Kundratek, and Pashnin basically isn't even on the depth chart at this point.

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He reminds me of Poti for some reason....except Poti had better numbers which is scary.
He reminds you of Poti because both were/are purported offensive defense who don't produce offense. Poti seems to have made a conscious decision to abandon the offensive game and focus on defense with poke checks and his freakishly large stick.

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Haters will still hate....
What exactly is there to love?

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Power play and penalty kill doesn't factor into +/-
Power Play goals against don't.

Pretty sure Power Play goals for, and short handed goals against do.

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What exactly is there to love?
Pick on one guy and beat a dead horse, just like alot of people here who hated Girardi for years...

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Pick on one guy and beat a dead horse, just like alot of people here who hated Girardi for years...
I'm not one who picks on guys. That said, I don't see anything particularly special about Gilroy.

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Power Play goals against don't.

Pretty sure Power Play goals for, and short handed goals against do.
Power play goals don't count. Shorthanded goals do.

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02-18-2011, 10:26 AM
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Can we get confirmation on that.

I'm searching for the official ruling, but web browsing on an old Blackberry is not great to say the least.

I was under the assumption that only Power Play goals against didn't effect +/-. I could be wrong. I'd just like to read the official ruling on that.

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•Power play goals are not used in calculating plus-minus.
•Shorthanded goals are used in calculating plus-minus.
•Penalty shot goals are not used in calculating plus-minus.

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Pashnin will never play for the Rangers.

And if Valentenko were highly regarded by the Rangers he would have had an opportunity at some point this season with injuries, and Del Zotto and Gilroy having struggles. He's been FAR passed by Sauer and McDonagh. And its obvious that no matter how much Del Zotto struggles early in his career they're going to stick with him, and rightfully so, he scored 30+ points as a 19 year old rookie.

Staal. Girardi
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Del Zotto. ____

There will be ONE spot open moving forward, and the Rangers have already been looking for veteran help. That, and McIlrath will be given an opportunity sooner then people probably think, just like Del Zotto and Stepan.

McIlrath is way further up the depth chart then Valentenko, Kundratek, and Pashnin basically isn't even on the depth chart at this point.
how can you know that. you cant.

and saying mcilrath is way further up the depth chart is silliness.

would you have said that about sauer last year when speaking of sanguinetti. sauer has been around awhile, battled injuries and now has emerged as a money dman. bobby is gone.

saying mcilrath is anything at this point is pure conjecture based soley upon his draft position and hype.

kundratek may not have mcilraths upside but right now, but hes a more complete player. same for vtank. both those guys are further up the chart right now.

mcilrath is nothing more than a very intriguing prospect/project at this point. once he demonstrates the ability to dominate against kids, lets see him do it agaisnt men before we start talking like you are. the kid is 2 years away atleast.

by then, kundratek and vtank will both be way further along in their development too.

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THIS.

to all the MDZ fan boys who love to rip on Gilroy....... your boy MDZ has looked worse and that is TROUBLING.
Really, a 26 year old looking better than a 20 year old is troubling for the 20 year old?

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and to think we were ''lucky'' to have signed this guy outa college. hobey winner. sought after undrafted free agent. offensive dman. blah blah blah.

again, was the almighty gordie clark involved in this decision. hmmm....

good luck trading him, hes got little to no vlaue to anyone who watches our games. i dont see us resigning him. hes history if vtank or kundratek continue making strides. and pashnin is still lurking too.
There was no risk in signing him. He cost us nothing in the way of assets. So it didn't work out. If we part ways after this year so be it.

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There was no risk in signing him. He cost us nothing in the way of assets. So it didn't work out. If we part ways after this year so be it.
true.

hes a guy we took a chance on and so far, hes never really developed.

time to move on.

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Wasn't he playing pretty good for you guys not too long ago? What happened? And do you think he'd reach more of his potential on another team or is this about what to expect at the NHL level from him?

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Wasn't he playing pretty good for you guys not too long ago? What happened? And do you think he'd reach more of his potential on another team or is this about what to expect at the NHL level from him?
Few responses:

- I think he was done a disservice by not spending time in the AHL before playing in the NHL.

- I'm not sure what his potential really is. The majority of his success came as a 24 year old playing against kids as much as 6 years younger.

- Any team who would trade for him is in a tough situation because he's a RFA at the end of the season. And he's not worth what his qualifying offer would be.

- He's going to be 27 when next season starts.

- So is that something a change of scenery can change? I don't know.

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