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02-18-2011, 09:48 PM
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A 1st round pick is a 1st round pick.
We're talking about the picks that are currently 25th and 29th. That's not "blue chip" territory in this year's draft, and I sure wouldn't deal Penner for that.

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This is what you tell yourself when another team takes Tyler Seguin 2nd overall with your pick.
That was a low blow for sure but I cannot see how anyone couldn't see the difference between picking 1st and picking 30th?

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Source? I don't see it on his twitter.
he said it on TSN sportsdesk

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Burke wants to use the 1sts to move up in the draft, so those aren't what you should be looking at.

Not sure why the Leafs would want Penner

I'd use Antropov as a comparable.... so, a 2nd and a conditional pick?

I know Antropov was a UFA, what advantage Penner has in term, he loses in $$ due.

Maybe Penner could get more, but no reason for the Leafs to give up more.


Edit: Antropov, when traded was also more consistent physically, and better defensively, was considered a leader in the dressing room as well.

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Very similar in terms of contract and production.
I'm sorry but when exactly did Versteeg score 30 or end up 6'4" tall? Nothing against Versteeg but there are more Versteeg type's in the league than there are Penner type's therefore his value is most likely higher.

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Here's is what you can expect to give up if you want Penner.
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I'd says he's worth 2 firsts + good prospect + 2nd, if not more.
he probably forgot the

but if there what he wants for Penner I guess he'll be in EDM 4 life

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I'm sorry but when exactly did Versteeg score 30 or end up 6'4" tall? Nothing against Versteeg but there are more Versteeg type's in the league than there are Penner type's therefore his value is most likely higher.
Penner may be 6'4 but does not use it!

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Someone, anyone, please tell me why Penner would get less rather than more than Kaberle in return?

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Dreger said Burke might be targeting Penner.
What might a deal look like?

those two first rounders would look nice--but I don't see that happening. Maybe one and a prospect

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Penner for Schenn

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I'm sorry but when exactly did Versteeg score 30 or end up 6'4" tall? Nothing against Versteeg but there are more Versteeg type's in the league than there are Penner type's therefore his value is most likely higher.
Versteeg is 4 years younger.

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boy the leafs are just a swinging door right now eh?

You know, I wish my GM would trade with the cajone's as Burkie does.

Granted I am HAPPY with what Sather has given us Rangers Fans (but trade time gets my pants all tight and me tingling all over in places i would be banned for saying in a PUBLIC forum). lol

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Versteeg is 4 years younger.
and cheaper, and better defensively, and more physical

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Someone, anyone, please tell me why Penner would get less rather than more than Kaberle in return?
as an oiler fan I hate to admit it

1) Penner needs to get his ass kicked by coaches sometimes(kaberle just does his job)
2) Penner while being big plays small sometimes
3) Kaberle is the every famous PMD that people always talk about

No the biggest fan--but I can see why a case could be made that Penner is not as valuable as Kaberle--But I have never liked Penner

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and cheaper, and better defensively, and more physical
Sadly Versteeg may play with more grit than a guy 6'4 245 lbs...

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Lol. Why would Penner get less than Kaberle? Kabs got 1 first + good prospect + conditional. I just added a first for the second year on the contract. Seems reasonable.
Lol. Why would Penner get more than Kaberle?

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Burke wants to use the 1sts to move up in the draft, so those aren't what you should be looking at.

Not sure why the Leafs would want Penner

I'd use Antropov as a comparable.... so, a 2nd and a conditional pick?

I know Antropov was a UFA, what advantage Penner has in term, he loses in $$ due.

Maybe Penner could get more, but no reason for the Leafs to give up more.


Edit: Antropov, when traded was also more consistent physically, and better defensively, was considered a leader in the dressing room as well.
This is exactly who I think of. A very good comparison actually.

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Someone, anyone, please tell me why Penner would get less rather than more than Kaberle in return?
Defensemen with pedigree always get more then 2nd line forwards. Penner also has a bit of a rep as being lazy at times. I like Penner, but think he will be a hard guy to trade to a team going for the run.

And Penner isn't a good fit for the Leafs who need a passing center with size and a 3rd line winger.


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Here's is what you can expect to give up if you want Penner.
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I'd says he's worth 2 firsts + good prospect + 2nd, if not more.
1 poster= Whole fanbase?

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TSN Producer to Dreger: Now that Burke has made his major moves, who's going to watch our show in a week?

Dreger: Good point, let's just tell the Leafs fans that they could potentially acquire someone, when it looks like they really shouldn't.


But in all seriousness, it would have to include Mike Komisarek, a mid-range defensive prospect and a 1st or 2nd rounder.

To Edmonton:
Mike Komisarek
Simon Gysbers
2nd Round Draft Pick

To Toronto:
Penner

Toronto doesn't need Penner. Lupul, Kessel, MacArthur, Kulemin all on the wings that Leafs have been talking about for a while now. But Penner would be a good complimentary player on a better team. Hearing it from Oiler fans, he is lazy and has a poor work ethic, but could be a 40 goal man on the right team.

But I would say he's slightly better value than Versteeg, but I wouldn't want Toronto to overpay for this guy.

No thanks.

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With what I see some people saying it will cost in this thread, no thanks.

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He said Toronto will be midly interested but only if the price isn't too high.

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Lol. Why would Penner get more than Kaberle?
He has an extra year on his contract?
Edmonton is not a motivated seller, Toronto is?

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1 poster= Whole fanbase?
Plus he misrepresented what I said. Here's my actual post:

"If Kaberle got a 1st+former first+pick, what will Penner get? He's a good and unique player with a good contract and 82 games more on his contract than Kaberle. By that metric I'd says he's worth 2 firsts + good prospect + 2nd, if not more. Montreal won't give up that much, most teams wouldnt. Tough luck. "

Key here: "By that metric"

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He said Toronto will be midly interested but only if the price isn't too high.
Penner leads our team in goals and points. He's also the only player in our top 6 with size. He shouldn't be traded unless it's an overpayment.

I'm not saying he won't be traded. I'm not Tambellini. I just think Tambellini would be wrong to trade him if it wasn't an overpayment. It's not like there is a risk of losing him for nothing on July 1st this summer.

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