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02-20-2011, 04:52 PM
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This trade would make sense for the 'Yotes, money wise at least.

They get a guy whose salary is lower than his cap hit. A good way to reach the floor without paying too much... Perfect for the financial situation of Phoenix.

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Id make that trade even if he's injure.

At the deadline, get a 2nd center who becomes UFA.

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02-20-2011, 04:53 PM
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I'd like somebody to give me the difference between Gomez's actual salary for the next three seasons and 20 millions.

But hey, emphasis on misleadings facts seems to be allowed on hfboards.
Even if it isnt 20 million dollars and he is misleading the facts...Wouldnt it still be stupid for a team with money trouble to spend 17.5 M for years on a guy who doesnt produce what his salary says he should. The yotes could easily spend less than approx. 6 mil a year for someone who could produce 50 pts a season. Why spend it on Gomez??

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Id make that trade even if he's injure.

At the deadline, get a 2nd center who becomes UFA.
Can you even trade injured players or players on IR?

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So basically a team that is bankrupt is going to pay a 40-50 point player almost 20 million over the next 3 years? Yeah, did you think that even meant something or did you just want to catch me in a "fail"? Come on this rumor is a joke and you know it.
They don't have to pay him 20 million. They pay him something like 17.5 million, while eating up cap space to bring them to the floor. If they are planning to be a minimum salary team, a move like this actually saves the owner quite a bit of money.

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Even if it isnt 20 million dollars and he is misleading the facts...Wouldnt it still be stupid for a team with money trouble to spend 17.5 M for years on a guy who doesnt produce what his salary says he should. The yotes could easily spend less than approx. 6 mil a year for someone who could produce 50 pts a season. Why spend it on Gomez??
Because Gomez would help them reach the floor?

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02-20-2011, 04:57 PM
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Can you even trade injured players or players on IR?
Yes, Montreal did it when they traded Theodore to Colorado for Aebischer. Theo was on the IR.

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This rumor is flat out buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull. The coyotes are bankrupt for crying out loud. 7 million a year till 2014? Do people even think before they make up rumors?
Not that I believe it, but the money is actually why it makes sense. Gomez's cap hit is higher than his actual salary for the next 3 years and thus it could help Phoenix get to the cap floor without actually spending to the cap floor.

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Yes, Montreal did it when they traded Theodore to Colorado for Aebischer. Theo was on the IR.
Well that was before the cap era...so my next question is, did it change after the cap? I'm really not sure, so I am asking.

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This rumor is flat out buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull. The coyotes are bankrupt for crying out loud. 7 million a year till 2014? Do people even think before they make up rumors?
Not discussing the validity of the rumour here but man oh man, let's get our facts straight.
  1. Gomez' cap hit is $7.3M
  2. His actual salary average starting next year is around $5.8M ($5.5M in 2 yrs, $4.5M in 3 yrs)
  3. Coyotes aren't concerned with the cap hit as much as the floor, but with the actual dollars paid
  4. Their top 2 centers are Belanger (26 pts, pending UFA) and Hanzal (23 pts)
  5. While Gomez is from Alaska, he is off Mexican descendant and there's a high Mexican population in Phoenix
  6. Jovanovski is a UFA at season's end and they could lose him for nothing

So I'm not saying that this rumour is true or bogus, but you now have the facts in front of you. Disagree all you want with the rumour, that's fine, but at least it will be based on facts.

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02-20-2011, 05:00 PM
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($7.357M*3 years)=$22M-$17.5M=$4.5M

Phoenix is saving $4.5M by having Gomez in the next 3 years instead of signing an UFA.

If it's all about the money for Phoenix it's a good move, but unfortunately I guess that they want to get good value for the money they are paying, and then Gomez isn't a good investment.

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02-20-2011, 05:01 PM
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Because Gomez would help them reach the floor?
Well theyre already at 27+ million signed for next year, and need to sign 10 more players. So 16 M would get them to the floor.

In other words, youre saying that Phx should get Gomez for 6 mil a year, rather than say, sign Upshall and Vrbata at 3M a piece, just so they can reach the floor.

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02-20-2011, 05:04 PM
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Just for those doubting the fact that I heard it, there is a video of Lavoie's comments on www.rds.ca - sorry, I don't know how to link the particular interview, but it's in the A/V section under "en coulisses - le nom de Gomez a circule a Phoenix"

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This trade can make sense, depending of what's Phoenix plan for the next 3 years.

If the trade is a one-on-one deal, Jovanovski vs Gomez, Phoenix will have to pay less than $200K in salary for the rest of the season. I don't think Phoenix is $200K away from the bankruptcy and if they are, well, they can make a minor trade, it's not a problem I think...

Jovanovski will be out for the next 4 weeks. In other words, he'd be a Habs for just like 10 games (maybe more if the Habs go far in the playoffs). Gomez would be a Coyotes for three other seasons. Maybe his cap hit is big, but his salary for the next three years is not that big. The salary cap is not a problem for the Coyotes, their real problem is the salary floor. Currently, they have $32M of cap space for the next season. So, Gomez might be a solution for this kind of problem.

But, Habs have to add a conditionnal pick to the trade. If Jovanovski resign at Montreal, Phoenix should get a pick in return. I think Phoenix could ask the 2013 1st round pick of the Habs in this case. Why 2013? Nathan MacKinnon. He didn't even play a junior game, but I'm pretty sure some teams already aim him.

The trade is logical... but I don't think it will happen..

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02-20-2011, 05:07 PM
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While they do have an internal budget the Coyotes are not a cap floor team.

While Gomez's contract does go down it isn't until after next year and even when it does he isn't worth the amount that he'd be paid.

Jovo is off the books after this year which gives Maloney a lot of flexibility.

No deal, no thanks. For many reasons.

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02-20-2011, 05:09 PM
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Not discussing the validity of the rumour here but man oh man, let's get our facts straight.
  1. Gomez' cap hit is $7.3M
  2. His actual salary average starting next year is around $5.8M ($5.5M in 2 yrs, $4.5M in 3 yrs)
  3. Coyotes aren't concerned with the cap hit as much as the floor, but with the actual dollars paid
  4. Their top 2 centers are Belanger (26 pts, pending UFA) and Hanzal (23 pts)
  5. While Gomez is from Alaska, he is off Mexican descendant and there's a high Mexican population in Phoenix
  6. Jovanovski is a UFA at season's end and they could lose him for nothing

So I'm not saying that this rumour is true or bogus, but you now have the facts in front of you. Disagree all you want with the rumour, that's fine, but at least it will be based on facts.

Phenomenal post.

The trade makes total sense on many levels just as you explained.

The naysayers in this thread only argue because they WANT Montreal to be stuck with Gomez. They've taken great pleasure in trolling about how stupid we were to get him and how untradeable he would be until the end of time.

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Well theyre already at 27+ million signed for next year, and need to sign 10 more players. So 16 M would get them to the floor.

In other words, youre saying that Phx should get Gomez for 6 mil a year, rather than say, sign Upshall and Vrbata at 3M a piece, just so they can reach the floor.
Listen, if you don't want to read our opinions on why the Gomez trade to Phoenix would make sense, don't click on the thread, and don't put stupid smilies in your post when we actually try to give sense to a move that doesn't really make any.

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Jovo has a NMC and he would not waive it to go to Montreal.

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I just love the title of this thread.

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Jovo has a NMC and he would not waive it to go to Montreal.
You've spoken to him?

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Listen, if you don't want to read our opinions on why the Gomez trade to Phoenix would make sense, don't click on the thread, and don't put stupid smilies in your post when we actually try to give sense to a move that doesn't really make any.
I am trying to make sense of it, although there is none.

Im reading opinions, and adding my own. Phx is not a cap floor team.

But i appreciate you telling me what to write in my own posts.

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I just love the title of this thread.
Well, speculation and discussion are the stuff of rumors. I'm not quite sure how much better I could have titled it.

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I am trying to make sense of it, although there is none.

Im reading opinions, and adding my own. Phx is not a cap floor team.

But i appreciate you telling me what to write in my own posts.
Thanks, M. 35 posts.

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Thanks, M. 35 posts.
With people like you...do you blame me?

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I think that adding Gomez allows Phoenix to fill a glaring weakness at Center. While Phoenix is not a cap floor team they are a team that has very good cap flexibility and are one of the few teams that are willing and/or able to take on a contract with a hit as high as Gomez's. Keep in mind, Phoenix was in on Gomez before he signed that huge contract with the Rangers.

Jovo has a NMC and would be a rental player.

It's an intriguing scenario. Never say never I suppose. Phoenix should have an owner by the end of February.

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