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02-20-2011, 03:55 PM
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Loktionov brings something to the table that our other center icemen don't (including Kopitar), that's creativity. Helene is surprisingly making a big deal out of this demotion. It's probably because she's ****ing old and forgot that Marco Sturm is healthy enough to play.

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and Dennis Bernstein hit the nail on the head:

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indeed Sturm on verge of return but I don't think Loktionov earned demotion.

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Sturm is back. That's good news.

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Sturm is back ok but don't demote Loktionov. Get rid of Harrold or Drewiske for a pick and keep Zus on the wing. Keep Westie in the press box.

Sturm Kopitar Simmonds
Smyth Stoll Williams
Zus Loktionov Brown
Clifford Lewis Richardson

Zus can still take important draws.

Loktionov showed me more than Kopitar has since Loktionov was moved back to Center.

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Loktionov only has to be down for a week, it all depends on if they call him back up...

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I have a feeling we're going to hear Murray give the same criticisms of Loktionov's game that he gave to Purcell, Boyle, Moulson and Parse.

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I have a feeling we're going to hear Murray give the same criticisms of Loktionov's game that he gave to Purcell, Boyle, Moulson and Parse.
I find it funny that a team looking for offense from the players they have called up is more concerned with the defensive and checking game of these players. They're young, they will learn, but to demote them instantly has to be a bit demoralizing for these players, especially after they display skills and show that they have the tools to contribute offensively.

They continue to force a square peg into a round hole. Look how they used Dwight King in a top six role where he clearly was in over his head. Reassigning him to Manchester made a lot of sense, but calling him up to play with Kopitar and Brown didn't.

It makes one wonder if this coaching staff knows what it is doing and what they want out of the players they are calling up.

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In the top picture the caption should read "MaMa said life is like a box of chocolate. You never know which player are too good for your system until you see um succeed on your team".

All kidding aside while I agree that we all knew that Lokti would have to go back down I would hope that it is until a deal can be made to make room for him. Peter Harrold and Poniboy could both be moved for pics and there would be room for Lokti and maybe OM?

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I think some of you are completely overreacting. How can you complain that we have a veteran laden team? You guys are complaining that we have too many vets and yet the Kings have been playing 5 rookies on a regular basis. Clifford, Lewis, Martinez, Westgarth, Bernier, with Loktionov getting a decent amount of time as well. I think the re-build has spoiled some of you.

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I am simply amazed that anyone thinks Sturm will amount to anything this season. The ****ing guy just came off major knee surgery for the second time in 3 seasons. He was a step slow, out of sync and looked like a journey man AHL player out there on nearly every night when the sun didn't shine on the dog's ass. Now, he has been out a nice collection of games again, once again from the knee...and some are putting him on the first line or are actually of the belief he can be productive. I know Murray will but our coach is a dinosaur prone to bizarre and counter intuitive moves. What is each of your excuses?

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I think some of you are completely overreacting. How can you complain that we have a veteran laden team? You guys are complaining that we have too many vets and yet the Kings have been playing 5 rookies on a regular basis. Clifford, Lewis, Martinez, Westgarth, Bernier, with Loktionov getting a decent amount of time as well. I think the re-build has spoiled some of you.
Kings' fans can never be accused of being spoiled. Cursed with bad coaches, absent ownership, outrageous beer prices and great looks, yes. Spoiled, never.

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I think some of you are completely overreacting. How can you complain that we have a veteran laden team? You guys are complaining that we have too many vets and yet the Kings have been playing 5 rookies on a regular basis. Clifford, Lewis, Martinez, Westgarth, Bernier, with Loktionov getting a decent amount of time as well. I think the re-build has spoiled some of you.
It's more of the fact that we are seeing veterans who are becoming a hindrance or just not performing up to their salaries (i.e. Handzus and Ponikarovsky), while the younger players are actually showing some promise, speed and creativity. Ponikarovsky was signed to replace Frolov, and he's been a lot worse than Fro was last season. Handzus is supposed to be a defensive specialist that can chip in with some offense, but he is starting to look out of place, having been demoted to the fourth line for a brief period of time.

While a player like Lewis, Clifford or Westgarth are learning to play at this level, Loktionov and Moller did not look out of place at this level. Martinez out played two older players in Harrold and Drewiske and rightfully has earned a spot in the top six D rotation.

My problem is how this team tries to force skill players to play a different style that skill players are not accustomed to. I think we are seeing that with some of the more experienced players too, in particular with Kopitar and Brown. They're better players defensively, but look what has become of their offensive production. It's the same crap that happened in Columbus with Ken Hitchcock expecting every player to play a clutch and grab style of hockey.

Remember what the focus was going to be on supposedly when training camp began in September? Terry Murray wanted to implement a puck possession game. Looking at this roster with its lack of speed and puck handling ability, how many players on the roster are capable of playing a puck possession game? Loktionov displayed those skills, and after one bad game, he was quickly demoted.

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It's more of the fact that we are seeing veterans who are becoming a hindrance or just not performing up to their salaries (i.e. Handzus and Ponikarovsky), while the younger players are actually showing some promise, speed and creativity. Ponikarovsky was signed to replace Frolov, and he's been a lot worse than Fro was last season. Handzus is supposed to be a defensive specialist that can chip in with some offense, but he is starting to look out of place, having been demoted to the fourth line for a brief period of time.

While a player like Lewis, Clifford or Westgarth are learning to play at this level, Loktionov and Moller did not look out of place at this level. Martinez out played two older players in Harrold and Drewiske and rightfully has earned a spot in the top six D rotation.

My problem is how this team tries to force skill players to play a different style that skill players are not accustomed to. I think we are seeing that with some of the more experienced players too, in particular with Kopitar and Brown. They're better players defensively, but look what has become of their offensive production. It's the same crap that happened in Columbus with Ken Hitchcock expecting every player to play a clutch and grab style of hockey.

Remember what the focus was going to be on supposedly when training camp began in September? Terry Murray wanted to implement a puck possession game. Looking at this roster with its lack of speed and puck handling ability, how many players on the roster are capable of playing a puck possession game? Loktionov displayed those skills, and after one bad game, he was quickly demoted.
I'm not saying this just to kiss your ass, but you are basically saying everything I've been wanting to say about this subject for the past couple of days.

It's a little mind-boggling that so many posters are casting a blind eye to what is so obviously wrong, just so they don't come across as being too critical.

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I am simply amazed that anyone thinks Sturm will amount to anything this season. The ****ing guy just came off major knee surgery for the second time in 3 seasons. He was a step slow, out of sync and looked like a journey man AHL player out there on nearly every night when the sun didn't shine on the dog's ass. Now, he has been out a nice collection of games again, once again from the knee...and some are putting him on the first line or are actually of the belief he can be productive. I know Murray will but our coach is a dinosaur prone to bizarre and counter intuitive moves. What is each of your excuses?
That our coach is a dinosaur prone to bizarre and counter-intuitive moves?

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This is what happens when an organization has depth to it.

He will be back.
You call Marco "depth"

I just felt though Loktionov still has to learn stuff in the NHL I don't think Marco is a better option IMO.

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It's more of the fact that we are seeing veterans who are becoming a hindrance or just not performing up to their salaries (i.e. Handzus and Ponikarovsky), while the younger players are actually showing some promise, speed and creativity. Ponikarovsky was signed to replace Frolov, and he's been a lot worse than Fro was last season. Handzus is supposed to be a defensive specialist that can chip in with some offense, but he is starting to look out of place, having been demoted to the fourth line for a brief period of time.

While a player like Lewis, Clifford or Westgarth are learning to play at this level, Loktionov and Moller did not look out of place at this level. Martinez out played two older players in Harrold and Drewiske and rightfully has earned a spot in the top six D rotation.

My problem is how this team tries to force skill players to play a different style that skill players are not accustomed to. I think we are seeing that with some of the more experienced players too, in particular with Kopitar and Brown. They're better players defensively, but look what has become of their offensive production. It's the same crap that happened in Columbus with Ken Hitchcock expecting every player to play a clutch and grab style of hockey.

Remember what the focus was going to be on supposedly when training camp began in September? Terry Murray wanted to implement a puck possession game. Looking at this roster with its lack of speed and puck handling ability, how many players on the roster are capable of playing a puck possession game? Loktionov displayed those skills, and after one bad game, he was quickly demoted.
Management has to make a decision next year. You are right Ziggy. We have skilled players who can't play the style TM wants.

That being said, either 3 things has to happen.
A - Trade the players that can't play the game TM wants.

OR

B. TM needs to tinker or change his system.

OR

C. Fire the coach.

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I find it funny that a team looking for offense from the players they have called up is more concerned with the defensive and checking game of these players. They're young, they will learn, but to demote them instantly has to be a bit demoralizing for these players, especially after they display skills and show that they have the tools to contribute offensively.

They continue to force a square peg into a round hole. Look how they used Dwight King in a top six role where he clearly was in over his head. Reassigning him to Manchester made a lot of sense, but calling him up to play with Kopitar and Brown didn't.

It makes one wonder if this coaching staff knows what it is doing and what they want out of the players they are calling up.
A M E N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go figure...

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For the life of me what I can't figure out is that TM keeps demoting young players for a bad game here and there and yet don't really make veteran (leaders) players accountable like Kopitar.

He is getting paid $6.8 million? I am not sure about you if I am paying someone that much - that player should make other players better not the other way around. I have been saying this for 2 years.
edit: AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND A LW FOR HIM. GEEZ, AT $6.8 MILLION?

Brown - Captain? - yeah, yeah.. he had 2 goals the other game . But that should be expected of them!!!!

Then Loki has a bad game and instantly GOT DEMOTED????????

NICE Terry Murray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was just a perfect situation for him to put back Marco in the lineup. VERY CONVENIENT TM!!!!!!!

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Wow are we talking about the same Loktionov I've been watching? Because the way some of you talk about him he should have 30 goals and 30 assisits this year, not 7 points in 19 games. He isn't the reason we win or lose games so just relax. He'll be back one day and maybe I can finally see this superstar you all seem to have found.

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For the life of me what I can't figure out is that TM keeps demoting young players for a bad game here and there and yet don't really make veteran (leaders) players accountable like Kopitar.

He is getting paid $6.8 million? I am not sure about you if I am paying someone that much - that player should make other players better not the other way around. I have been saying this for 2 years.
edit: AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND A LW FOR HIM. GEEZ, AT $6.8 MILLION?

Brown - Captain? - yeah, yeah.. he had 2 goals the other game . But that should be expected of them!!!!

Then Loki has a bad game and instantly GOT DEMOTED????????

NICE Terry Murray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was just a perfect situation for him to put back Marco in the lineup. VERY CONVENIENT TM!!!!!!!
When is this load of crap that continues to be talked about on this board going to stop....there is nobody in the league that makes 3rd liners first liners so I don't know why people continue to say this. At most they help career 2nd liners have career years....btw who is that player that LEADS THE TEAM IN GOALS that plays with Kopitar that everyone complains isn't a first liner? Hmm some might think Kopitar is making him better but maybe thats just me.

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Wow, I mean don't get me wrong Loki is a fine player. But once the game started to get Physical he started to get muscled off the puck. It's OK if he spends some more time at Manchester.

Some of you need some patience. Yes I am a season ticket holder so don't pull that card on me.

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I am simply amazed that anyone thinks Sturm will amount to anything this season. The ****ing guy just came off major knee surgery for the second time in 3 seasons. He was a step slow, out of sync and looked like a journey man AHL player out there on nearly every night when the sun didn't shine on the dog's ass. Now, he has been out a nice collection of games again, once again from the knee...and some are putting him on the first line or are actually of the belief he can be productive. I know Murray will but our coach is a dinosaur prone to bizarre and counter intuitive moves. What is each of your excuses?
This. Lokti has shown promise in the past few weeks. Sturm hasn't played an NHL game in over a month. Why would putting him out there now help this team?

We have had points in most of the games on the road trip so obviously something was working. I don't understand why Murray would make such a drastic change while things are working.

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