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02-20-2011, 08:39 PM
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Dmitry Chesnokov on twitter:



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What's a little concerning is that he isn't the only player who has said that. I've heard of others being demoted without an explanation or little instruction.

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02-20-2011, 08:45 PM
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I seem to recall other players having said that they weren't given instruction all to often when they would be called up and sent down but it is only an opinion and I don't have a link to an article or anything like it so please don't be confused, it is my opinion unless someone else wants to provide a link with the mentioned article.


For some reason I remember specifically Boyle saying that he wasn't given much instruction in between assignments and that sounds to me in my opinion allot like what Loktionov has also just said in the article that was posted here earlier where Loktionov said "I don't know" in response to the same question but again I didn't cut and paste the link or include it in my post here so take it as speculation on my part and not a statement of fact.

Just wanted to be clear that I was giving my opinion.


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02-20-2011, 08:55 PM
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When is this load of crap that continues to be talked about on this board going to stop....there is nobody in the league that makes 3rd liners first liners so I don't know why people continue to say this. At most they help career 2nd liners have career years....btw who is that player that LEADS THE TEAM IN GOALS that plays with Kopitar that everyone complains isn't a first liner? Hmm some might think Kopitar is making him better but maybe thats just me.
Being a captain is more than scoring goals. What is that saying "to whom much is given - much is required."

I am sorry but all I know is there are players on a team that accountability is higher than everyone else. IMO, he doesn't rise to the occasion. He is a Captain for crying out loud.
His last 6 years or so he has a negative of plus/minus. Horrendous!!!!!!!!

If you watch him play his decision making with the puck.is just not really good. I am not saying he is a bad player.

And on Kopitar. $6.8 million? SERIOUSLY!!!!

But in fairness, I think it's Terry Murray's system holding the progress of our skilled players. That I can say!

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Boyle and Moulson both said the exact same thing after being sent down on more than one occasion. Young players get called up and sent down frequently, its the nature of the game and no big deal. It happens until they stick, the big deal and the thing that makes me want TM's head is when we hear this crap over and over from NHL caliber players as they leave the team.

Not saying that Loktionov is leaving but I am saying that he said the same as those who have and that is that they receive little instruction on what to do or not to do in order to improve their game so that they can make it back up.

I spoke with Oscar Moller during the offseason this year and he has said the same exact thing in so far as receiving nothing from the coaching staff on either level as to what he needed to do in order to make it once an for all back up to the NHL level.

That stuff bunches my undies.
Skill is expensive, that's the only reason I could come up with. This management team values experience and grit. Having these skilled players lose years while sending them up and down, and not getting numbers makes them cheaper when the time comes to resign them.

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02-20-2011, 08:57 PM
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LOL! That's a GOOD one!

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02-20-2011, 08:59 PM
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Wow, I mean don't get me wrong Loki is a fine player. But once the game started to get Physical he started to get muscled off the puck. It's OK if he spends some more time at Manchester.

Some of you need some patience. Yes I am a season ticket holder so don't pull that card on me.
I think you are missing the point...

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02-20-2011, 09:06 PM
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Being a captain is more than scoring goals. What is that saying "to whom much is given - much is required."

I am sorry but all I know is there are players on a team that accountability is higher than everyone else. IMO, he doesn't rise to the occasion. He is a Captain for crying out loud.
His last 6 years or so he has a negative of plus/minus. Horrendous!!!!!!!!

If you watch him play his decision making with the puck.is just not really good. I am not saying he is a bad player.

And on Kopitar. $6.8 million? SERIOUSLY!!!!

But in fairness, I think it's Terry Murray's system holding the progress of our skilled players. That I can say!
I think you missed the point of my post...but continuing in the spirit of my original post, if you think Kopi is overpaid at 6.8 mil you don't understand the economics of the NHL.

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02-20-2011, 09:59 PM
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I think you missed the point of my post...but continuing in the spirit of my original post, if you think Kopi is overpaid at 6.8 mil you don't understand the economics of the NHL.
Maybe I am. I am not an expert. However, look at the Ducks.

- Getzlaf
- Perry
- Ryan

All 3 getting $5.50 million per year or less. So am I really far off for you to say that I don't understand economics f the NHL?

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I think you missed the point of my post...but continuing in the spirit of my original post, if you think Kopi is overpaid at 6.8 mil you don't understand the economics of the NHL.
Sorry if I missed your point.

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02-20-2011, 10:31 PM
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That our coach is a dinosaur prone to bizarre and counter-intuitive moves?
It's worth keeping in mind that DL makes the roster decisions. TM just works with the players he's given.

Sending down Loki is Dean's call, at the end of the day. Schenn stuck on the roster for weeks without playing so it's meaningful that Loki is getting sent down immediately. I do think that it has more with Sturm and Parse's eventual returns than anything.

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02-20-2011, 10:37 PM
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It's worth keeping in mind that DL makes the roster decisions. TM just works with the players he's given.

Sending down Loki is Dean's call, at the end of the day. Schenn stuck on the roster for weeks without playing so it's meaningful that Loki is getting sent down immediately. I do think that it has more with Sturm and Parse's eventual returns than anything.
Exactly. Loktionov is being sent down because there are one, maybe two NHL forwards that are returning from injury. Loktionov is the only forward that can be sent down without having to clear waivers.

He will get another chance.

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Maybe I am. I am not an expert. However, look at the Ducks.

- Getzlaf
- Perry
- Ryan

All 3 getting $5.50 million per year or less. So am I really far off for you to say that I don't understand economics f the NHL?
When Getzlaf signed his contract his career high was 58 points (25g, 33a).

When Perry signed his contract his career high was 54 points (29g, 14a).

The CAP was also lower when these guys were signed.

Stastny is much more comparable IMO. His career high in points was 78 (28g, 50a) when he signed his deal. His CAP hit is 6.6M

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02-20-2011, 10:50 PM
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When Getzlaf signed his contract his career high was 58 points (25g, 33a).

When Perry signed his contract his career high was 54 points (29g, 14a).

The CAP was also lower when these guys were signed.

Stastny is much more comparable IMO. His career high in points was 78 (28g, 50a) when he signed his deal. His CAP hit is 6.6M
Not to mention all 3 play on the same line together. When they feel like playing there isn't a better line in hockey. Also I think Getz/Perry get a new deal in 2 years, at which point they will get ~2mil raises.

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Loktionov should've definitely stayed up man, it just makes no sense.

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02-20-2011, 11:01 PM
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Skill is expensive, that's the only reason I could come up with. This management team values experience and grit. Having these skilled players lose years while sending them up and down, and not getting numbers makes them cheaper when the time comes to resign them.
But without instruction there is a lesser chance that they will make it onto our team and will more likely end up having an impact down the road with another team. Why would our management risk this with talented young players?

I can understand that a team and its system can work better for some players than other and that players can fall in and out of favor with a teams management but this isn't possibly close to the way that things can be done in the best and most effective manner.

Moller is a neat player in my opinion.

If the curve can be cut down by having a five minute interview like most teams do with for their developing players, at least in my experience then why on earth wouldn't we do the same?

It isn't good for the prospect by any stretch of the imagination in my opinion and if it takes a longer time in my opinion and or lessens their ability to become the player(s) that you drafted them to be in my opinion then it is just ignorant not to give them every possible opportunity to succeed and it appears in my opinion that since TM has been made coach that this critical step is being left out of our development program in my opinion which is based on everything that I have seen experienced and digested on the matter regarding our team.

Its wrong headed in my opinion and should at least be addressed if not corrected in my opinion.


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02-20-2011, 11:26 PM
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this lack of communication with the prospects as they go up and down is more worrisome than loki just being sent down,we knew that was coming since we don't want to lose anyone just yet, but that has always been a problem for the kings. Of the picks since DL took over the only one to stick from the monarchs even now is martinez, DD,JJ,Clifford and Simmonds all made the team from juniors and we are developing them on the team not in the minors. Maybe thats why moulson,boyle and to a less degree purcell are doing better someone told them what they were doing wrong, I sure the **** hope not because we are apparently waiting for the kids to develop to make the next step up and hearing this just s***s.....I know the goalies played there so I guess that counts

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People are making this bigger than it is. Dean wasn't willing to give up any of his fringe players. Loktionov wasn't playing anyway, Murray had already buried him. If we need him, he will come back in a week, after the deadline. It could be only temporary.

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this lack of communication with the prospects as they go up and down is more worrisome than loki just being sent down,we knew that was coming since we don't want to lose anyone just yet, but that has always been a problem for the kings. Of the picks since DL took over the only one to stick from the monarchs even now is martinez, DD,JJ,Clifford and Simmonds all made the team from juniors and we are developing them on the team not in the minors. Maybe thats why moulson,boyle and to a less degree purcell are doing better someone told them what they were doing wrong, I sure the **** hope not because we are apparently waiting for the kids to develop to make the next step up and hearing this just s***s.....I know the goalies played there so I guess that counts

I thought I read on Hammonds blog earlier in the year that when they sent Muzzin down, John Stevens went over significant video with Muzzin and gave him 6 things to improve on. I thought Kompon did the same with Schenn. I hope they did the same with Lokti.

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Hopefully this means we can try dressing Harrold as forward and put him on the 1st line with Kopi. Hey, Murray hasn't tried that one yet

I've got a feeling Dean has packed this season in, and since he can't make a trade is going to wait for Schenn and Lokti to be ready in 2 seasons. Everyone in the west is trying to get better, and we just got worse.

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People are making this bigger than it is. Dean wasn't willing to give up any of his fringe players. Loktionov wasn't playing anyway, Murray had already buried him. If we need him, he will come back in a week, after the deadline. It could be only temporary.
Really? I'm so looking forward to watch Strum be given 5 games again to "catch" up to the NHL speed just to get hurt again.

Not willing to give up his fridge players? yes, keeping Harrold as a constant scratch sure is helping the club win games. This will mean more of Westgarth and less richardson I'm sure.

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TM wants Loktionov to lose all of his creativity, then and only then will he be offered a full roster spot.

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TM wants Loktionov to lose all of his creativity, then and only then will he be offered a full roster spot.
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People are making this bigger than it is.
No kidding. One guy tweets a three word comment, and suddenly the Kings' org is guilty of negligence in its development of its prospects.

These long layoffs between games -- especially following a loss -- are brutal.

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Loki is much younger and physically undeveloped than most players in the league - he's a ten or fifteen game injury waiting to happen. That's all it is.

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interesting to note that the Kings are 13-3-3 with Loktionov in the lineup.

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