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02-21-2011, 05:31 PM
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Woah, easy tiger. Take out Kadri and add someone like Brad Ross, Kenny Ryan, etc. from WHL.
What are you taking about? That's taking out the main piece..

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02-21-2011, 05:32 PM
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Kadri
Gunnarson
Two 1st's
Gustavsson
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For Stastney.

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02-21-2011, 05:36 PM
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Something to keep in mind for proposals---

Outside of 3 year ELCs, Sherman has only ever handed out 1 and 2 year contracts. Chris Stewart, Peter Mueller, Kyle Quincey-- 2 years. He's playing it safe with the CBA set to expire.

These are the players Sherman has acquired through trades-

Kyle Quincey. (1 year.)
Tom Preissing. (2 years.)
Brian Fahey. (1 year.)
Peter Mueller. (1 year.)
Kevin Porter. (1 year.)
Harrison Reed. (2 years.)
Stephane Yelle. (1 year.)
Julian Talbot. (1 year.)
Daniel Winnik. (1 year.)
Ryan O'Byrne. (1 year.)
Matt Hunwick. (1 year.)
Tomas Fleischmann. (1 year.)
Brian Elliott. (1 year.)
Erik Johnson. (2 years.)
Jay McClement. (2 years.)

The years are the years including the current season remaining on the contract at the time of the trade. Aside from Preissing (mistake,) Reed (AHLer,) Johnson and McClement, Sherman simply does not take on multi-year contracts. Getting Komisarek would be way out of his comfort zone. It's a smart attitude to have, we went from a team full of bloated, unmovable contracts, to a team with arguably, the most flexibility in the league.

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02-21-2011, 05:37 PM
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It's a little much, but it's somewhat close. You gotta give to get.

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02-21-2011, 05:39 PM
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Bob McKenzie twitter: "With another three years at $6.6 million per yr, I personally would be surprised if Paul Stastny moves. Lot of teams don't like that ticket. "

Stastny is overrated here, his value is not as high as many Avs fans think.
the avs would move this contract for the right offer. a roster player , good prospect, 1st round pick , 3rd round pick is fair value for a 6.6 million dollar contract. it's not out of the question to have a stastny trade without schenn or kadri.

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02-21-2011, 05:40 PM
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Failing to see what is so far off, maybe you can contribute?

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the avs would move this contract for the right offer. a roster player , good prospect, 1st round pick , 3rd round pick is fair value for a 6.6 million dollar contract. it's not out of the question to have a stastny trade without schenn or kadri.
We will keep Stastny's 6.6 million dollar contract thank you. With nearly 15 mill in cap space, its not a problem. The leafs don't have anything we want other than Schenn.

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the avs would move this contract for the right offer. a roster player , good prospect, 1st round pick , 3rd round pick is fair value for a 6.6 million dollar contract. it's not out of the question to have a stastny trade without schenn or kadri.
I'm sorry, but yes it is.

A first, third and decent prospect was worth Kaberle, who is going to FA next year, is a good but not star player, and somewhat one dimensional. Stastny is worth a lot more. He is not that overpaid, either.

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02-21-2011, 05:42 PM
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[QUOTE=mccaber16;31119002]This is quite a deal, but there has been a few blockbusters lately so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

To COL:

Gustavsson
Gunnarsson
MacArthur (signed to extension at 3M per)
Rynnas
Holzer

To Tor:
Stastny
Liles
Quincey (dump)
Budaj
Minor leaguer



What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

that you should taking drugs.

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the avs would move this contract for the right offer. a roster player , good prospect, 1st round pick , 3rd round pick is fair value for a 6.6 million dollar contract. it's not out of the question to have a stastny trade without schenn or kadri.
Nobody would want his awful contract. Certainly not the Leafs. Let's close this thread.

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02-21-2011, 05:43 PM
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We will keep Stastny's 6.6 million dollar contract thank you. With nearly 15 mill in cap space, its not a problem. The leafs don't have anything we want other than Schenn.
i would keep him also but if he's available thats what the avs could expect to recieve

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ur funny
Kadri is replaced with the addition of Colborne, plus you are getting a legit first line center, and we have Grabovski in the 2nd line center role.

Gustavsson is replaced with Reimer. He's inconsistent even in a back up role. Plus there is more depth in the minors.

The two firsts, you can always use, but it's not like top picks here.

Gunnarson is the only big loss through this trade, but you have to give to get.

And when I said prospect, thinking mid-level.

So basically over half the trade is replaced through the system. Gunnarson is the key loss.

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02-21-2011, 05:46 PM
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i would keep him also but if he's available thats what the avs could expect to recieve
Then Stastny is not available, thread over.

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Yeah, it's gotta be a deal around Staz and Schenn. Both sides have enough picks to even it out from there. Quality for quality.

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schenn is going nowhere

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02-21-2011, 05:51 PM
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as a toronto fan, i'll pass just because of how idiotic this proposal is

also what the hell would we want with budaj?

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02-21-2011, 05:58 PM
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schenn is going nowhere
Alright then don't expect Stastny.

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Since this seems the spot for quantity for quality proposals:

Kulemin

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Yip
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Since this seems the spot for quantity for quality proposals:

Kulemin

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We traded our 2nd to St Louis. Plug Cumiskey in there instead.

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We traded our 2nd to St Louis. Plug Cumiskey in there instead.
Or two 4th round picks. More quantity can never hurt.

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02-21-2011, 06:16 PM
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That's just way too many moving pieces in a deal. Realistically, Stastny & Liles would both hold value to Toronto, but if the Avs are going to trade them, clearing out thier combined $11.1m in salary next year. In the case of Liles, it also might be a situation where they know he's not in the long term plans, and are deciding whether it's best to get rid of him now or a year from now.

For Liles, I think the consensus is that he's problably worth a 1st + mediocre prospect, maybe Toronto finds a way to do it with their 2nd as the centrepiece.

For Stastny, it's a much tougher call because you're looking at 3 years and a big paycheque (personally I think he's worth it, but taking on a $6.6m usually means a big adjustment to your team). It's also a situation where if they move Liles, they'll be very close to the cap floor, so Stastny would have to be more of a hockey trade.

For a team like Toronto, he'd be worth making that adjustment because he's a 25 year old playmaking centre that would be almost perfect for Kessel. There aren't a ton of pieces that would be off the table for him, basically looking at Kessel, Kulemin, Schenn, Phaneuf (although IMO he should be on the table) & problably Kadri/Colborne. With those guys off the table, I don't see a logical package which could be put together for Stastny. The only thing that Toronto could really offer is the ability to send an entire futures-based package while taking no salary back.

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02-21-2011, 06:25 PM
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Why is it that every trade thread involving Stastny follows the same basic pattern? They all go:

1) Some team's fan (usually Toronto) offers a bunch of picks, low-level prospects and fringe NHL players for Stastny.

2) Avs fans tell the OP that he's WAY off base and that it'll take something of real value to get a young, #1 center and likely future captain who's on a reasonable contract. Avs fans make counter-suggestions.

3) Other fans of original team say that their player(s) are way more valuable and that Stastny is 'over-rated.'

4) Avs fans point out that it's stupid to keep making threads that discount how much the Avalanche value Stastny.

When will the madness stop?

If Stastny is so over-rated, why do you want him so badly?

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02-21-2011, 06:27 PM
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Bob Mackenzie says he doesn't think the Leafs have any interest in Stastny.

Now the proposals can stop......

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02-21-2011, 06:33 PM
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I really doubt the Av's would move him after trading a big offensive talent in Stewart. It could be possible that the Av's are changing directions and going for a defense first mentality, but if that is the case and they are targeting another high end defensemen like they did with Erik Johnson than we wouldn't have anything of value for them outside of Schenn.

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02-21-2011, 08:26 PM
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LOL It makes me laugh to see that Kadri firsts and Gunnarson is equal to Stastny... At a 6.6 Million dollar cap hit, The Leafs would get better talent that giving it to Stastny..

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