Ehhhhhhhhh I really don't know if i'm going to like him. Oh well, whatever wins, I guess.
Can't really blame him when you're taking 65mil guaranteed or who knows how much less.
I think he was hypocritical saying it was NYK or nothing & then having to back down but I don't blame him really. & in the end the trade wasn't a BAD deal for NYK it just wasn't the typical GREAT deal for a disgruntled star.
I stand by my comment earlier though. On the court for YOUR team, you're gonna love him.
Yup, it would be on him. It's a business though, not sure I really blame him.
I mean, I guess...but I still don't like Basketball the sport as much as hockey the sport and I really liked the character of the Knicks team we had constructed, so I'd be fine with that if this was Brad Richards, but Melo wanted to come here, he's going to make ASSloads of money, and he really made it so we were forced to get rid of some assets even though everyone knew he himself wanted to be here.
Still seems like a prima donna to me, and while I root my ass off for Stat and Fields, I'll always hold some contempt for Melo.
I mean, I guess...but I still don't like Basketball the sport as much as hockey the sport and I really liked the character of the Knicks team we had constructed, so I'd be fine with that if this was Brad Richards, but Melo wanted to come here, he's going to make ASSloads of money, and he really made it so we were forced to get rid of some assets even though everyone knew he himself wanted to be here.
Still seems like a prima donna to me, and while I root my ass off for Stat and Fields, I'll always hold some contempt for Melo.
That's fine, I don't blame you. I don't really have any feelings towards Melo one way or the other, past recognizing his talent. I'm glad he's here though. Hopefully he'll grow on all of us.
That's fine, I don't blame you. I don't really have any feelings towards Melo one way or the other, past recognizing his talent. I'm glad he's here though. Hopefully he'll grow on all of us.
He has already grown on me. Much needed for this team.
I mean, I guess...but I still don't like Basketball the sport as much as hockey the sport and I really liked the character of the Knicks team we had constructed, so I'd be fine with that if this was Brad Richards, but Melo wanted to come here, he's going to make ASSloads of money, and he really made it so we were forced to get rid of some assets even though everyone knew he himself wanted to be here.
Still seems like a prima donna to me, and while I root my ass off for Stat and Fields, I'll always hold some contempt for Melo.
How good were those assets though? All complimentary pieces which are dime a dozen in the NBA. In the NBA you win with experienced stars. High 1st rd picks can always be bought from high capped teams.
We also got Billups & Brewer(maybe a 1st).
WE GOT A GREAT PLAYER & gave up nothing of great singular value. This was a quantity for quality trade people get KILLED for on the trade board.
If all of the upping of the offers wasn't public people would think we stole Melo & Billups IMO.
Had a lot of hope for the Russian and the Italian, Felton was a great great pick up by Donnie. Curry is a bump. I knew we'd lose Chandler in the off-season if we pushed hard for Melo so that was ok plus he's been playing crap for over a month now.
I'm ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED that we hung onto FIELDS!! This kid is gonna be a star.
I'm a Cuse fan who has followed Melo since 2002, and I think Knicks fans are going to love him.
He's in New York for all the right reasons... he wants to win a championship in New York, which is something that Lebron James either didn't want or didn't have the balls to try to do. Melo grew up in Brooklyn and went to high school in Virginia, but he returned to NY to play college ball and won a championship. NY has beckoned him once again, and hopefully the end result will be the same as it was in Syracuse.
Not to mention that he is a great talent and is such a thrill to watch.. I'm excited that I'll be able to watch him on a regular basis now.
How good were those assets though? All complimentary pieces which are dime a dozen in the NBA. In the NBA you win with experienced stars. High 1st rd picks can always be bought from high capped teams.
We also got Billups & Brewer(maybe a 1st).
WE GOT A GREAT PLAYER & gave up nothing of great singular value. This was a quantity for quality trade people get KILLED for on the trade board.
If all of the upping of the offers wasn't public people would think we stole Melo & Billups IMO.
THIS. Seriously, besides us Knick fans, how high to people around the NBA really grade the players we gave up?
If all of the upping of the offers wasn't public people would think we stole Melo & Billups IMO.
I agree. I think that some are a little sour on this deal because we were initially hearing offers of Chandler/Fields/two #1s, or along those lines. The offers slowly increased in size, leading people to think we overpaid. In reality, the initial offers were vast underpayments for Melo. It just so happened that we didn't have nearly the leverage we initially hoped, so we had to pay closer to fair value.
How good were those assets though? All complimentary pieces which are dime a dozen in the NBA. In the NBA you win with experienced stars. High 1st rd picks can always be bought from high capped teams.
We also got Billups & Brewer(maybe a 1st).
WE GOT A GREAT PLAYER & gave up nothing of great singular value. This was a quantity for quality trade people get KILLED for on the trade board.
If all of the upping of the offers wasn't public people would think we stole Melo & Billups IMO.
But the upping of the deal is what kills me. As a fan of the Knicks i'm torn, I liked the team for the first time since I decided what I could never do with the Rangers and stop watching because I was disgusted with management, and now that's all gone. And it's all gone BECAUSE of that management. On the other hand, the deal really isn't that bad from a success standpoint at all, and I agree we did get very good quality out of it even with Dolan throwing pieces into the deal for the sake of throwing pieces into the deal.
If we beat the Heat in the upcoming game because of Melo, consider me on the wagon.
Totally understand your concerns, BB. It would be like if we shipped Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov and Girardi out in some deal for a couple great players. Yeah, it's great to upgrade the team, but we gave up our guys that we loved.
Hopefully Melo tears **** up and everything is gravy.
People love role players in retrospect. When the team is losing and is average at best night after night because of them, the tone is usually different.
It's pretty hypocritical to champion these guys who are average league-wide, then bash management for delivering a average league-wide team.
But the upping of the deal is what kills me. As a fan of the Knicks i'm torn, I liked the team for the first time since I decided what I could never do with the Rangers and stop watching because I was disgusted with management, and now that's all gone. And it's all gone BECAUSE of that management. On the other hand, the deal really isn't that bad from a success standpoint at all, and I agree we did get very good quality out of it even with Dolan throwing pieces into the deal for the sake of throwing pieces into the deal.
If we beat the Heat in the upcoming game because of Melo, consider me on the wagon.
It won't be long before the Knicks are in a super tight game down the stretch & Melo will put the team on his back & go clutchtastic killer to seal/winthe game. And then again & again & later & you'll think "GODDAMM I'M GLAD WE GOT A COLD BLOODED KILLER ON THIS TEAM!!!!"
People love role players in retrospect. When the team is losing and is average at best night after night because of them, the tone is usually different.
It's pretty hypocritical if you think about to champion these guys who are average league-wide, then bash management for delivering a average league-wide team.
And in New York, we absolutely love the hard-working role players.
Totally understand your concerns, BB. It would be like if we shipped Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov and Girardi out in some deal for a couple great players. Yeah, it's great to upgrade the team, but we gave up our guys that we loved.
Hopefully Melo tears **** up and everything is gravy.
See I'd consider the players to equal more like Boyle, girardi, Prust, & MDZ
People love role players in retrospect. When the team is losing and is average at best night after night because of them, the tone is usually different.
It's pretty hypocritical to champion these guys who are average league-wide, then bash management for delivering a average league-wide team.
But Isiah and Dolan didn't deliver an average league-wide team with likable guys. The Knicks were a laughing stock, and Isiah and Dolan further dug us into the trenches. You can say what you want about Sather, but Isiah WISHES he could be Sather, and that's all I'll say about how "highly" I think of Thomas. If we were seeing a .500 team that worked hard I wouldn't have a problem, but Thomas and Dolan turned a respectable franchise into a disgrace.
The day Donnie Walsh took over as GM and D'antoni took over the bench I could say I was a Knick fan again. As an 18 year old, all the friends around me had already taken to bandwagoning the Lakers and Celtics. The team of Gallo and Felton, with Stat, helped bring respectability back to the Garden, and it's hard to see them go after finally being able to watch the team and call myself a Knick fan without being laughed at.
Yes, i'm very excited to see what Melo can do. I like the other acquisitions, like Billups and Brewer, too. But to see Dolan have such a hand in it gave me PTSD flashbacks, if you know what I mean.
You can tell by the adding of Mozgov and the future picks given it was Isiah. Just reaks of him lol. Donnie would have called their bluff but it is what it is.
However, im ok with the deal..steep but the team is better. Still need a big man and bench but the main thing is, role players will be lining up to come here for less. Checked ticket prices for Wed...250 min lol. Garden will be poppin.
Also...CAA better have GUARENTEED CP3/Deron in 2012 with the way we helped their client have his cake and eat it too.
Basketball is a strange thing where you can trade 4 of 5 starters. One player in hockey isn't worth that much. I guess since you have 2-3x as many players, their impact is lessened. Or an NBA all star's impact is 2-3x more. Glad it's finally over!
Prediction: Mike D'Antoni doesn't last through next season.
Stars alone don't win anything in the NBA. You need a deep bench and you need great team defense, particularly under the hoop. The Knicks have neither.
