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02-22-2011, 03:11 AM
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Is there anybody in this thread who is advocating Schenn be traded or rushed to the NHL?
I feel if a deal comes to us that pushes us forward then we should at the very least highly consider it... Saying he is untouchable is either posturing on DL's part or plain foolish.

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02-22-2011, 03:12 AM
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I feel if a deal comes to us that pushes us forward then we should at the very least highly consider it... Saying he is untouchable is either posturing on DL's part or plain foolish.
I agree, but who do you trade Schenn for?

BTW I am asking you, not DL, who would you trade Schenn for?

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And yet Stoll is 39th in league scoring by a C, so you are saying you would rather have the 21 guys that haven't scored as much and are not nearly as good at faceoffs, than Stoll????

And you say you are a fan......tsk tsk.
Are your going to play the "are you a fan" card...really classy there.

Funny I remember arguing this same thing with Kingspest on the main board, I think back then Stoll was in the Top 30 for C scoring...amazing how he keeps tumbling.

Stoll started the year hot, but since then has fizzled, like I said he has 17 points in his last 39 games. Almost half a season's worth of games. And that is at a time when he was playing on the #1 PP.

Sorry, but I do watch the games, to answer your question. And Jarret Stoll is not a 2nd line center on a good team. He just doesn't have the offensive creativity of skillset. Stick him on a 3rd line, let him PK and dominate the shootout, but in a 2nd line role he is out of place. That is why so many people can't wait for Schenn to develop. This team never wins a cup with Stoll as the #2 center.

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I feel if a deal comes to us that pushes us forward then we should at the very least highly consider it... Saying he is untouchable is either posturing on DL's part or plain foolish.
Why would it be foolish?

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02-22-2011, 03:15 AM
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Are your going to play the "are you a fan" card...really classy there.

Funny I remember arguing this same thing with Kingspest on the main board, I think back then Stoll was in the Top 30 for C scoring...amazing how he keeps tumbling.

Stoll started the year hot, but since then has fizzled, like I said he has 17 points in his last 39 games. Almost half a season's worth of games. And that is at a time when he was playing on the #1 PP.

Sorry, but I do watch the games, to answer your question. And Jarret Stoll is not a 2nd line center on a good team. He just doesn't have the offensive creativity of skillset. Stick him on a 3rd line, let him PK and dominate the shootout, but in a 2nd line role he is out of place. That is why so many people can't wait for Schenn to develop. This team never wins a cup with Stoll as the #2 center.
I was being sarcastic bud lol, don't take everything so literally,

Anyways you never answered the question, you would take the 21 other guys, who aren't nearly as good on the draw over Stoll?

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I feel if a deal comes to us that pushes us forward then we should at the very least highly consider it... Saying he is untouchable is either posturing on DL's part or plain foolish.
I think he'll be a King for a very long time. Not only is he talented but he has heart, something the Kings lack. Self starting winners with drive are the type of players every team wants. I don't think you trade Schenn for Richards, Semin or Hemsky. Now Wayne Simmonds on the other hand!

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Preissing, McCauley, Stuart, Sturm, Thornton, Gauthier. Coaches Murray and Stevens.

That is a lot of people from two NHL teams. No one is saying everyone he has acquired are former picks or players, but quite a bit have. Has any team in the NHL picked up that many players from one or two teams, maybe Burke picking up ex-Ducks?

Also, how can anyone use the excuse that "It's not Dean's fault there aren't any forwards available" when it was Dean himself who created the Kings lack of talent up front.

Everyone seems to always have an excuse not to acquire a player. Cammy wasn't worth five million, Gaborik wasn't worth 5 years, Hemsky is injury prone, Semin could leave as a FA, Penner is soft.

Risk adverse people rarely make it big in the NHL or in any facet of life, eventually you have to be willing to roll the dice and make a move, there is going to be a risk in any FA or trade the Kings make.
In a way you forgot the worst of the worst in the Beachball and Pepperidge Farms Jones...

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02-22-2011, 03:16 AM
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Are your going to play the "are you a fan" card...really classy there.

Funny I remember arguing this same thing with Kingspest on the main board, I think back then Stoll was in the Top 30 for C scoring...amazing how he keeps tumbling.

Stoll started the year hot, but since then has fizzled, like I said he has 17 points in his last 39 games. Almost half a season's worth of games. And that is at a time when he was playing on the #1 PP.

Sorry, but I do watch the games, to answer your question. And Jarret Stoll is not a 2nd line center on a good team. He just doesn't have the offensive creativity of skillset. Stick him on a 3rd line, let him PK and dominate the shootout, but in a 2nd line role he is out of place. That is why so many people can't wait for Schenn to develop. This team never wins a cup with Stoll as the #2 center.
If its not one thing its another. If its not him not scoring enough goals its he has no creativity. Whats going to be next. The last time we had this conversation Stoll was sitting right outside the top 30. So in essence he really hasnt dropped all that far.

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Are your going to play the "are you a fan" card...really classy there.

Funny I remember arguing this same thing with Kingspest on the main board, I think back then Stoll was in the Top 30 for C scoring...amazing how he keeps tumbling.

Stoll started the year hot, but since then has fizzled, like I said he has 17 points in his last 39 games. Almost half a season's worth of games. And that is at a time when he was playing on the #1 PP.

Sorry, but I do watch the games, to answer your question. And Jarret Stoll is not a 2nd line center on a good team. He just doesn't have the offensive creativity of skillset. Stick him on a 3rd line, let him PK and dominate the shootout, but in a 2nd line role he is out of place. That is why so many people can't wait for Schenn to develop. This team never wins a cup with Stoll as the #2 center.
Agreed, and here in lies the problem. Every other team knows what Schenn brings to the table, thats why they want him in any trade of worth...are you willing to sacrifice this crucial piece the to the puzzle (ie leaving Stoll 2nd line center for the foreseeable future) for whats rumored to be out there....I wouldn't.

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Love to see you explain this one.
Well... considering Lombardi doesn't make trades and we need a Lw...Perhaps a player like MPS(LW) may fit the bill... Just off the top of my head. remember this post if u wish

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I was being sarcastic bud lol, don't take everything so literally,

Anyways you never answered the question, you would take the 21 other guys, who aren't nearly as good on the draw over Stoll?
It's not quite that simple.

First off Stoll has played tons of PP time, more than almost every other "2nd line" center in the league.

There are 30 teams in the NHL but that doesn't mean the 60th highest scoring C is a good 2nd liner. There are a lot of bad teams that Jarret Stoll could play 2nd line for, but when it comes to good teams I just don't see it.

Like I said, guy is a lot more likeable as a player now that he is off the PP, but if the Kings are building frm the net our and strong down the middle they need to have Stoll be the answer at 3rd line and not 2nd line. He just doesn't have the creativity and skillset to be that guy. Hopefully Schenn or Loktionov are.

17 Points in pretty much half a season is more than a slump.

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Why would it be foolish?
Because we are trying to win. 5th year of a 5 year plan remember? and it makes sense

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Because we are trying to win. 5th year of a 5 year plan remember? and it makes sense
This is year 4

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Lombardi will make a big trade today just to shove it to Helene. That will show her to tweet bad things about him.

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It's not quite that simple.

First off Stoll has played tons of PP time, more than almost every other "2nd line" center in the league.

There are 30 teams in the NHL but that doesn't mean the 60th highest scoring C is a good 2nd liner. There are a lot of bad teams that Jarret Stoll could play 2nd line for, but when it comes to good teams I just don't see it.

Like I said, guy is a lot more likeable as a player now that he is off the PP, but if the Kings are building frm the net our and strong down the middle they need to have Stoll be the answer at 3rd line and not 2nd line. He just doesn't have the creativity and skillset to be that guy. Hopefully Schenn or Loktionov are.

17 Points in pretty much half a season is more than a slump.
Fair enough, just curious though, what good teams don't you see him playing 2nd line C on?

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Well... considering Lombardi doesn't make trades and we need a Lw...Perhaps a player like MPS(LW) may fit the bill... Just off the top of my head. remember this post if u wish
LOL yes the man with basically the same statline as Simmonds is the answer to all the Kings scoring woes...

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Fair enough, just curious though, what good teams don't you see him playing 2nd line C on?
I'll help Herby out on this one....Det/Van/Pitts(pre injuries)/TB/Bos/Phil then a few teams he also wouldn't but I wouldn't consider better than the Kings...Col/Dal/SJ.

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Sure, just let the depth in the system rot away in Manchester.

Why draft players when you can just keep re-signing slow stiffs every year????
I think most stiffs can move faster than half of our roster...

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In a way you forgot the worst of the worst in the Beachball and Pepperidge Farms Jones...
I think you missed the point. Cloutier isn't from SJ or Philly.

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I'll help Herby out on this one....Det/Van/Pitts(pre injuries)/TB/Bos/Phil then a few teams he also wouldn't but I wouldn't consider better than the Kings...Col/Dal/SJ.
So basically all the teams that have 1A and 1B and not #1 and #2,

Got it....

Think you guys are missing the mark comparing Stoll to say, Jeff Carter, Matt Duchene, Patrick Marleau, Steve Stamkos, Henrik Zetterberg, Evgeni Malkin, Ryan Kesler?

Not setting the bar a bit too high there? just a wee bit?

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Fair enough, just curious though, what good teams don't you see him playing 2nd line C on?
It's hard to say...many teams have centers on the wing.

I actually think he could be a 2nd liner on Chicago, I think he and Bolland are pretty similar actually. Both are better suited for 3rd line duty.

Probabl Minnesota

Phoenix is weak down the middle.

Again, not saying Stoll is a bad player. In fact he is fine by me now that he is off the PP and he is a competent stop-gap 2nd line center. But if this team is ever going to compete for a Cup down the road, Schenn (or Loktionov) need to develop into that 2nd line center we need.

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So basically all the teams that have 1A and 1B and not #1 and #2,

Got it....

Think you guys are missing the mark comparing Stoll to say, Jeff Carter, Matt Duchene, Patrick Marleau, Steve Stamkos, Henrik Zetterberg, Evgeni Malkin, Ryan Kesler?

Not setting the bar a bit too high there? just a wee bit?
Thats the point, if you wanna win, its not gonna happen on the back of Stoll...you need someone that can bring it offensively. But he would be a great 3C on almost all those teams. (outside Pitts/Philly)

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So basically all the teams that have 1A and 1B and not #1 and #2,

Got it....

Think you guys are missing the mark comparing Stoll to say, Jeff Carter, Matt Duchene, Patrick Marleau, Steve Stamkos, Henrik Zetterberg, Evgeni Malkin, Ryan Kesler?

Not setting the bar a bit too high there? just a wee bit?
Notice how those teams are generally the best in the league?

Think there's a correlation there? Yet you prefer the Kings keep plugging Stoll in at the #2 C role and hope for the best.

Perhaps having only a #1 and #2 isn't good enough anymore.

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Thats the point, if you wanna win, its not gonna happen on the back of Stoll...you need someone that can bring it offensively. But he would be a great 3C on almost all those teams. (outside Pitts/Philly)
LOL just like Carolina did...oh wait or Anaheim did...wait..McDonald?

The problem is, you guys see Malkin and Carter etc as 2nd line C, when the entire hockey universe sees them as 1st line C's on a team deep through the middle,

Case in point, let's turn this around, Johnson could easily be a #1 D on easily 25 teams in the league, if not 28?

So do you guys see him as a #1 D, or #3-#4 D where he plays?

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