It's the same old story every year, we were second every single time
It is the case for the good players only though...
But for deadwoods like Gomez, Spacek, etc., we won the lottery...
No, it's not about being the second. It's about people always linking the Habs to any player to be traded and fans biting that. It makes people react, say nonsense and always ***** at the organization.
You don't NEED to trade just to trade, goddamnit. You trade only if it can be profitable and fairly safe.
Trading isn't like NHL2011, you can't reset the game, if you **** up, you pay for it for a long time.
You got to say to yourself that these where a few major players moved and some still very very young and not seen has rental. The Dallas and Pens trade is just an other slap in the face.
With this current roster, there are many holes and a glaring weakness.
Brewer - lost out
Stewart - lost out
Penner - going to lose out
Phillips going to lose out
Same stuff every year, Kovalchuk last year, Hossa when he left Atlanta. At the end of the day its the same thing, too much for us to offer up according to the GM.
Is it just our young pieces or assets are not as valuable compared to other teams? I don't know.
Just we lose out on big names every year, we end up with picks, Moore, Kovalev. Nothing more than that. We will have lots of cap space if Spacek is goes on LTIR.
No, it's not about being the second. It's about people always linking the Habs to any player to be traded and fans biting that. It makes people react, say nonsense and always ***** at the organization.
agreed 100%
come on, according to various BS websites we were in play for Brewer, Stewart, Kaberle, now Phillips, JoVo, Penner, Bogosian, probably Hemsky, now we're trying to dump AK, Gomez and a few others as well as acquire Kovalev, Neil...
we're basically involved in any single trades rumor that happen in the NHL...
seriously, Bell Canada is making a fortune with PG!!
Brewer - lost out
Stewart - lost out
Penner - going to lose out
Phillips going to lose out
Same stuff every year, Kovalchuk last year, Hossa when he left Atlanta. At the end of the day its the same thing, too much for us to offer up according to the GM.
Is it just our young pieces or assets are not as valuable compared to other teams? I don't know.
Just we lose out on big names every year, we end up with picks, Moore, Kovalev. Nothing more than that. We will have lots of cap space if Spacek is goes on LTIR.
Do you honestly think we would've been able to resign Kovalchuk? No way, we would have lost him at the end of the year for nothing. Plus we'd be without the assets that landed him in the first place. And it's the same deal with Hossa, pittsburgh gave up alot for him for there playoff push...didn't win a cup, hossa jumped ship after the playoff run for. At this point in time it seems like a waste to make any deals for a playoff run, people just seem to want PG to make trades for the sake of it.
Brewer - lost out
Stewart - lost out
Penner - going to lose out
Phillips going to lose out
I wanted to edit that with a "won out" / FIXED! kind of theme, but we're not allowed to do that, so it would be bad form. Anyway, I think others have pretty much nailed it already... if Brewer was costing us a 3rd+Bennett, say, or Stewart was going to cost us Subban, or they're looking for a 1st+prospect for Penner, or ?anything? for Phillips... well, I'm very satisfied that the Habs have held off making any of these deals.
The bottom line is we just don't have the assets on hand, and we don't have the lineup close enough to contention for the rental price to make sense to us.
And using up the scarce assets we do have for 20-game player rentals isn't going to do anything to build us towards the time when maybe we can afford to make these moves either.
Our team is positioned for bargain hunting. That's it, that's all. We can't beat anybody's bid. Except on Paul Maras. And that's not an indictment in the least, IMHO. That's just where we're at.
Brewer - lost out
Stewart - lost out
Penner - going to lose out
Phillips going to lose out
Same stuff every year, Kovalchuk last year, Hossa when he left Atlanta. At the end of the day its the same thing, too much for us to offer up according to the GM.
Is it just our young pieces or assets are not as valuable compared to other teams? I don't know.
Just we lose out on big names every year, we end up with picks, Moore, Kovalev. Nothing more than that. We will have lots of cap space if Spacek is goes on LTIR.
We got Wisniewski...but you conveniently forgot to mention him.
I'm sure we could have had Stewart but he would have cost Subban...but once again you just look at the player coming in and not the cost going out(Stewart cost Eric johnson plus a 1st rounder).
I don't see where we have to get every player that gets traded...every NHL player has a value and I'm sure there are some where it's worth our while to pay the price needed and others where it's not worth us paying the price.
I wanted to edit that with a "won out" / FIXED! kind of theme, but we're not allowed to do that, so it would be bad form. Anyway, I think others have pretty much nailed it already... if Brewer was costing us a 3rd+Bennett, say, or Stewart was going to cost us Subban, or they're looking for a 1st+prospect for Penner, or ?anything? for Phillips... well, I'm very satisfied that the Habs have held off making any of these deals.
The bottom line is we just don't have the assets on hand, and we don't have the lineup close enough to contention for the rental price to make sense to us.
And using up the scarce assets we do have for 20-game player rentals isn't going to do anything to build us towards the time when maybe we can afford to make these moves either.
Our team is positioned for bargain hunting. That's it, that's all. We can't beat anybody's bid. Except on Paul Maras. And that's not an indictment in the least, IMHO. That's just where we're at.
I'm glad our management seems to recognize it.
We have all the assets we need to get anybody on the trade market but I think Gauthier believes in building through young players to have success in the cap world(cheap skilled talent with low cap hit).
If we were dangling pieces like Subban Weber Eller Pacioretty LeBlanc Tinordi Kristo Avtsin Gallagher, I'm sure we could get a couple big names no problem but trading top young players for rentals is proven to backfire in most cases.
Do you honestly think we would've been able to resign Kovalchuk? No way, we would have lost him at the end of the year for nothing. Plus we'd be without the assets that landed him in the first place. And it's the same deal with Hossa, pittsburgh gave up alot for him for there playoff push...didn't win a cup, hossa jumped ship after the playoff run for. At this point in time it seems like a waste to make any deals for a playoff run, people just seem to want PG to make trades for the sake of it.
I have no doubts that we could have re-signed Kovalchuk if we really wanted him...but I don't think he is a guy that justifies the cost to acquire and sign him...just look at New Jersey since they got him, they flopped in the playoffs and have had a crappy year until the last month. I know it's not all on him...but he is a guy that does well for himself but it's not all about winning and he doesn't make linemates/teammates better.
I like PK Subban a lot, though. As much as we need a PF, we also need what Subban is going to bring us for the next hopefully-27-years. I just don't see the point in lamenting the Neal or Stewart "misses". At least with Brewer there is some argument to be made that losing a 3rd+middling prospect wouldn't hurt us much.
