OK, before this gets restated as something I did not say, let's all be clear on what I AM saying:
1. I LIKE the current direction of the franchise...recent on-ice performance notwithstanding. I like it so much, in fact, I do not want them to deviate from the current course we are on.
2. I AM advocating moving any pieces we can in order to obtain prospects and/or draft picks. Unfortunately the prime candidates to trade as a rental are hurt (Frolov and Fedotenko). Perhaps they can move Prospal.
3. Finding a taker for Wolski's salary is a no-brainer, but that won't be easy.
4. Do not...I repeat...DO NOT sacrifice anything of future value (prospects or draft picks) for anything short-term. Any trade should be done with the future in mind, not the present.
5. I AM NOT advocating tanking. Please don't call it that. If at the very least the team stays where it is, I will be fine. If the team as it is currently constituted makes the playoffs, that is awesome. If not, well, we should continue building for the future anyway.
I'm no Wolski fan, but I'm surprised people want him moved already.
The only way this team should be sellers is if Gaborik is shut down due to injury. That is it.
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OK, before this gets restated as something I did not say, let's all be clear on what I AM saying:
1. I LIKE the current direction of the franchise...recent on-ice performance notwithstanding. I like it so much, in fact, I do not want them to deviate from the current course we are on.
2. I AM advocating moving any pieces we can in order to obtain prospects and/or draft picks. Unfortunately the prime candidates to trade as a rental are hurt (Frolov and Fedotenko). Perhaps they can move Prospal.
3. Finding a taker for Wolski's salary is a no-brainer, but that won't be easy.
4. Do not...I repeat...DO NOT sacrifice anything of future value (prospects or draft picks) for anything short-term. Any trade should be done with the future in mind, not the present.
5. I AM NOT advocating tanking. Please don't call it that. If at the very least the team stays where it is, I will be fine. If the team as it is currently constituted makes the playoffs, that is awesome. If not, well, we should continue building for the future anyway.
6. STAY THE COURSE!!!
I disagree I wouldn't want to get rid of Wolski.
However I do agree with the premise that we should be sellers but the problem is from years past we don't have that much of value to sell. Sacrificing playoff hopes for a bunch of 5th round picks is not going to help this team one bit. I think its more of a stand pat thing. Maybe make a swap of players here or there but I wouldnt trade any picks or do anything earth shattering.
OK, before this gets restated as something I did not say, let's all be clear on what I AM saying:
1. I LIKE the current direction of the franchise...recent on-ice performance notwithstanding. I like it so much, in fact, I do not want them to deviate from the current course we are on.
2. I AM advocating moving any pieces we can in order to obtain prospects and/or draft picks. Unfortunately the prime candidates to trade as a rental are hurt (Frolov and Fedotenko). Perhaps they can move Prospal.
3. Finding a taker for Wolski's salary is a no-brainer, but that won't be easy.
4. Do not...I repeat...DO NOT trade anything of future value (prospects or draft picks) for anything short-term. Any trade should be done with the future in mind, not the present.
5. I AM NOT advocating tanking. Please don't call it that. If at the very least the team stays where it is, I will be fine. If the team as it is currently constituted makes the playoffs, that is awesome. If not, well we should be building for the future anyway.
6. STAY THE COURSE!!!
Other than hanging onto mediocre/good young players and finding them spots in the lineup (basically because we are hamstrung by past transgressions with cap management), what exactly is "the course?"
I see it said all the time...STAY THE COURSE...the truth is, there is no course. Look at the crazy/untalented rosters this team has fielded since Jagr left. If you think theres some sort of long-term plan for success in place, you're wrong.
All people ever talk about is how this team lacks top end skill.
Wolski is here to help solve that. He won't be going anywhere.
Seems like we have this thread every year. You can make as good a case as you like, but the Rangers franchise isn't going to go into sell mode unless we're legitimately out of the playoff race. Not when we're in 7th place.
Gaborik is hurt and I don't even want to make the playoffs just to be another 1st round exit. This team has no scoring depth and can't create a damn thing.
Up the middle.... turnover at blueline.. if they manage to get a shot from the point, NO ONE EVER GETS THE REBOUND.
This team needs a healthy sniper and a #1 center, period.
All people ever talk about is how this team lacks top end skill.
Wolski is here to help solve that. He won't be going anywhere.
Seems like we have this thread every year. You can make as good a case as you like, but the Rangers franchise isn't going to go into sell mode unless we're legitimately out of the playoff race. Not when we're in 7th place.
I think Wolski is a very average one-dimensional and inconsistent player. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he gets dealt this summer. His skill, unfortunately, is devalued by his mediocre decision making with the puck.
OK, before this gets restated as something I did not say, let's all be clear on what I AM saying:
1. I LIKE the current direction of the franchise...recent on-ice performance notwithstanding. I like it so much, in fact, I do not want them to deviate from the current course we are on.
2. I AM advocating moving any pieces we can in order to obtain prospects and/or draft picks. Unfortunately the prime candidates to trade as a rental are hurt (Frolov and Fedotenko). Perhaps they can move Prospal.
3. Finding a taker for Wolski's salary is a no-brainer, but that won't be easy.
4. Do not...I repeat...DO NOT sacrifice anything of future value (prospects or draft picks) for anything short-term. Any trade should be done with the future in mind, not the present.
5. I AM NOT advocating tanking. Please don't call it that. If at the very least the team stays where it is, I will be fine. If the team as it is currently constituted makes the playoffs, that is awesome. If not, well, we should continue building for the future anyway.
All people ever talk about is how this team lacks top end skill.
Wolski is here to help solve that. He won't be going anywhere.
He's on pace for 37 points. That's not top end skill production. Unless you are confindent that he's the 65 point guy, I can't see any reason why you don't move him in the right scenario.
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Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY
Seems like we have this thread every year. You can make as good a case as you like, but the Rangers franchise isn't going to go into sell mode unless we're legitimately out of the playoff race. Not when we're in 7th place.
Chicken or egg situation. They always make moves that get them closer to the playoffs. They may be in 7th place, but you can't look at it in a vacuum. They are not playing well. They are injured. The teams behind them are playing better than they are, those teams have made moves to position themselves better for the playoffs.
In 2007, the Flyers made the decision to not make moves to possibly sneak into the playoffs. They sold off some pieces. It served them well. The Rangers are in the same situation.
I think it's important to make the playoffs to teach the youngsters to win and make them hungry for the next step. The trade market dictates though and it's not worth giving up anything of core value. For example, if the team doesn't see themselves resigning Gilroy or won't have room for Horak or Hagelin; Grachev isn't progressing; this draft isn't looking promising; then move pieces accordingly to acquire a rental, but nothing else. If you can't move these pieces to acquire a rental, then you don't acquire a rental.
I'm no skating analyst and maybe I'm over hyped because of Brian Boyle but to me it looks like Wolski flails at the knees a lot. I think the Rangers picked up on this and I think their going to have Barb work with him this summer too, just a hunch. I know she works with Hartford regularly know but we may see a different skating and a much more potent Wolski next year.
I'm not saying I agree with everything that management does, but I am sure of 2 things.
1. Our management is going to do everything they can to make the playoffs and pick up that additional revenue. We won't sell in 7th place, even if we are slumping.
2. We need to get some of our boys some playoff experience. If people want to be making deep runs in a couple years, we need to actually get there first.
I personally don't think our club would suffer that much from dealing Prospal, Feds, Gilroy. I just dont see it happening.
I personally don't think our club would suffer that much from dealing Prospal, Feds, Gilroy. I just dont see it happening.
Prospal brings offense and I just don't see Torts or Slats trading him after the relationship and respect they have there.
Feds - maybe if it had to be to get a deal done.
Gilroy - definitely could see a him being move, especially to Florida, Columbus, Toronto or a bunch of other teams that would make sense. I think injuries are the only thing that have kept it from happening already.
I would think the time to deal Wolski would be next years deadline. His cap space would be nice, but in terms of a return, it's probably better to wait.
OK, before this gets restated as something I did not say, let's all be clear on what I AM saying:
1. I LIKE the current direction of the franchise...recent on-ice performance notwithstanding. I like it so much, in fact, I do not want them to deviate from the current course we are on.
2. I AM advocating moving any pieces we can in order to obtain prospects and/or draft picks. Unfortunately the prime candidates to trade as a rental are hurt (Frolov and Fedotenko). Perhaps they can move Prospal.
3. Finding a taker for Wolski's salary is a no-brainer, but that won't be easy.
4. Do not...I repeat...DO NOT sacrifice anything of future value (prospects or draft picks) for anything short-term. Any trade should be done with the future in mind, not the present.
5. I AM NOT advocating tanking. Please don't call it that. If at the very least the team stays where it is, I will be fine. If the team as it is currently constituted makes the playoffs, that is awesome. If not, well, we should continue building for the future anyway.
6. STAY THE COURSE!!!
1) I completely agree
2) I agree, just sucks that guys are hurt that could bring back picks
3) I like Wolski, he's what I consider a necessary evil...
4) I completely agree, we are not winning this year, dont bring in anyone we dont expect to be a part of the team a year or two from now as well
5) Agreed
6) Agreed
What can I say, you speak truth and logic...lets hope Sather does too, lol
Infuse youth they gain experience. we are in a playoff spot right now.
The Rangers are going not going to win the stanley cup this year no matter who you go after at the deadline.
I dont mind missing the playoffs, any Ranger fan who isnt proud of the way this team has played this year is a fool.
The results have sucked lately, but I can tell you this team comes to play every night.
The course we are on is not one that wins championships. Eventually, we need to purge excess youth for a star player (center or D) and likely sign Richards. We can't win a Cup with a bunch of second line players. Unfortunately, that's what we have right now. We have one top line D and one top line forward.
All people ever talk about is how this team lacks top end skill.
Wolski is here to help solve that. He won't be going anywhere.
Seems like we have this thread every year. You can make as good a case as you like, but the Rangers franchise isn't going to go into sell mode unless we're legitimately out of the playoff race. Not when we're in 7th place.
By what definition is Wolski top end skill?
When a guy his age, with his supposed potential, keeps moving, there is usually a very good reason for it. If you are talking about the appearance of skills without tangible results, I might agree with the evaluation.
This is his 6th full season and his best output is 48 points. Hardly an upper echelon talent to date. He might end up a decent 2nd liner, and he might not. So far, it is hard to imagine him as a legit 1st liner. Top end skill ends up on a 1st line, unless a team is absolutely loaded.
I think it's important to make the playoffs to teach the youngsters to win and make them hungry for the next step. The trade market dictates though and it's not worth giving up anything of core value. For example, if the team doesn't see themselves resigning Gilroy or won't have room for Horak or Hagelin; Grachev isn't progressing; this draft isn't looking promising; then move pieces accordingly to acquire a rental, but nothing else. If you can't move these pieces to acquire a rental, then you don't acquire a rental.
I'm no skating analyst and maybe I'm over hyped because of Brian Boyle but to me it looks like Wolski flails at the knees a lot. I think the Rangers picked up on this and I think their going to have Barb work with him this summer too, just a hunch. I know she works with Hartford regularly know but we may see a different skating and a much more potent Wolski next year.
he has a knock kneed kind of stride ,he is lanky yet does not have that power skating on his toes stride for sure . He kind of reminds me of Nedved yet lacks his speed and lethalwrist shot yet has all the soft attributes that madeyou hate Nedved at times . WW has the ability however to use is shiftiness and stick handling to bring the puckup and looksgood on the point . Maybe tonight well be able to drawa penalty
When a guy his age, with his supposed potential, keeps moving, there is usually a very good reason for it. If you are talking about the appearance of skills without tangible results, I might agree with the evaluation.
This is his 6th full season and his best output is 48 points. Hardly an upper echelon talent to date. He might end up a decent 2nd liner, and he might not. So far, it is hard to imagine him as a legit 1st liner. Top end skill ends up on a 1st line, unless a team is absolutely loaded.
Skilled as in he is a skilled player. Irregardless of production. Dubinsky and Callahan have both put up 20 goal years, and yet some people prefer to pencil then in on the third line because they have less "Skill" than a guy like Wolski.
Not saying I agree with the viewpoint, but we do need some offensive creativity and puckhandling on the team. Wolski brings that dimension. Also, hes done better on the point of the PP as a forward than anyone else we have tried this year.
