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02-22-2011, 03:15 PM
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LMAO - we swap out 6th defensemen to get Drewiskie a little playing time and people freak out and call for the coach's head...

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LMAO - we swap out 6th defensemen to get Drewiskie a little playing time and people freak out and call for the coach's head...
That and we've only lost one of our last twelve in regulation. It's always something.

The longest point streak in team history? Off with his head!


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That and we've only lost one of our last twelve in regulation. It's always something.

The longest point streak in team history? Off with his head!
perhaps it has to do with the offense in the past 15 games:

The Kings have been shutout 3 times.
The Kings have managed only 1 goal 4 times

Thats about half of the 15 game stretch of scoring 0 or 1 goals. Granted the Kings were able to "escape" with some points in a few of these games, but fans have a right to question a coach when he pulls 2 offensive minded players in lokti and now Martinez off the ice.

St. Louis scored 9 on the ducks. I'm willing to bet we score 2 or less against the ducks unless some weird bounces happen. But everyone will be happy cause we'll win the game 1-0 or 2-1 so it will go unoticed yet again.

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02-22-2011, 04:26 PM
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Literally amazed some people still want Parse on the top line. Or on the team at all.

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Literally amazed some people still want Parse on the top line. Or on the team at all.
Haha why is that? What possible reason could you give to take a spot away from a player who's worked his way up the ranks, shows some offensive skill and could play on any line?

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perhaps it has to do with the offense in the past 15 games:

The Kings have been shutout 3 times.
The Kings have managed only 1 goal 4 times

Thats about half of the 15 game stretch of scoring 0 or 1 goals. Granted the Kings were able to "escape" with some points in a few of these games, but fans have a right to question a coach when he pulls 2 offensive minded players in lokti and now Martinez off the ice.

St. Louis scored 9 on the ducks. I'm willing to bet we score 2 or less against the ducks unless some weird bounces happen. But everyone will be happy cause we'll win the game 1-0 or 2-1 so it will go unoticed yet again.
Last I checked, a one goal win counts as much as a six goal win. The Kings are a defense-first hockey team. Expecting anything else is just going to leave you disappointed.

Besides, those Blues who put up nine on the Ducks, they're five points back of us right now. If playing a defensive game gets results, why argue?

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02-22-2011, 04:50 PM
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Haha why is that? What possible reason could you give to take a spot away from a player who's worked his way up the ranks, shows some offensive skill and could play on any line?
Bzzt.

Parse not do defense. Parse not check. Parse offense or Parse on bench.

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Bzzt.

Parse not do defense. Parse not check. Parse offense or Parse on bench.
Parse know Kung Fu?

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Bzzt.

Parse not do defense. Parse not check. Parse offense or Parse on bench.
Doesn't mean TM hasn't used him on every line.

I recall him looking pretty good on the 3rd line with Zeus and Simmonds last year. just because he doesn't check doesn't mean he's not capable of braking up plays or getting in passing lanes.

i see him as a good 3rd liner boarderline 2nd when injuries hit. nothing more. i dont agree with two out of three that he doesnt have a place on this team.

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Parse not do defense. Parse not check. Parse offense or Parse on bench.
... Yeah, I dunno where this line of thinking got started. Parse was +16 last season in just 59 games, and his supporting stats (blocked shots, takeaways, etc.) were all pretty good. At worst, he was average defensively, which is pretty damned good for a rookie forward if you ask me. Parse didn't get any time on the PK, but then again neither did Simmonds, who was good defensively as well; so it's another indication that Murray is prone to leaning on veterans in those situations as opposed to trying out young and unproven players.

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... Yeah, I dunno where this line of thinking got started. Parse was +16 last season in just 59 games, and his supporting stats (blocked shots, takeaways, etc.) were all pretty good. At worst, he was average defensively, which is pretty damned good for a rookie forward if you ask me. Parse didn't get any time on the PK, but then again neither did Simmonds, who was good defensively as well; so it's another indication that Murray is prone to leaning on veterans in those situations as opposed to trying out young and unproven players.
I base it off A) Watching him and noticing that he is not a very good backchecker or great at digging out pucks in the corners (he is best when stickhandling in open ice), B) That every criticism of his by coaching and management has been that his defense needs work and C) that he was given the roster spot not because he really improved at anything but that the team needed a scoring winger, which is what he is supposed to be.

I don't think Parse works well on the bottom lines. I'd rather have Poni and Clifford as the bottom 6 wingers.

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Parse has shown more with the Kings than Moulson and Purcell did.

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Drewiske in place of Martinez does hurt us. Behind Doughty and Johnson, who are often paired together to try and entice offense, there is nobody that can playmake or put the puck in the net. Martinez is the primary offensive force on the back end behind Doughty and Johnson. This team needs to score goals, not prevent them, Martinez should be in the game, just my 2 cents...

On Parse, he is a good player. People wanted to bury Parse or throw him off the team need to take a long look at Moulson... These kids need a chance, and Parse earned his. Last season was terrific for him on both offensive and defensive sides of the game. Moller deserves a shot too. These are two kids that have been producing in the minors and have offensively produced in the NHL when they are given the chance, yet they get overlooked or buried (Moller moreso than anyone, and now Loktionov is starting to join the party). Murray needs to ease off the defense only mentality. We are one of the best in goals against, I understand not wanting to sacrifice defense for offense, but this is overdoing it. If the kid produces, talk to him, but keep him out there, we need the offense.

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I base it off A) Watching him and noticing that he is not a very good backchecker or great at digging out pucks in the corners (he is best when stickhandling in open ice), B) That every criticism of his by coaching and management has been that his defense needs work and C) that he was given the roster spot not because he really improved at anything but that the team needed a scoring winger, which is what he is supposed to be.
... Well, for your points - A) agree to disagree, I thought Parse was certainly putting in the work to get back defensively and get into position, even though he had some things to learn about NHL defense and his size limited him along the wall, B) I've only heard Murray criticize his defense, and all I can attribute that to is that Murray favors the veterans (e.g., Sturm playing over Loktionov) - it would be one thing if the facts supported this notion that Parse is a defensive liability, but they don't, and C) I actually thought that last season Parse had the most meteoric and unexpected rise of a young Kings' forward in years.

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I don't think Parse works well on the bottom lines. I'd rather have Poni and Clifford as the bottom 6 wingers.
... I would agree there. If I had a choice, I would have Parse as a 1 or 2 LW and Ponikarovsky and Clifford as the 3 and 4 (or have both of them on the 4th line, for that matter) but I don't think for a second that Parse would embarrass himself out there on the lower lines if he was bumped out of the top 6 at some point. Parse and Simmonds were the two most efficient forwards on the team last season in terms of the results they were able top produce given their limited ice time, and it's a shame that all of that was thrown into the dumpster with Parse's injury and with the way Simmonds has been jerked around. Murray really had a golden opportunity to facilitate the rise of two solid young players, and in my view he's utterly failed to do that. I can't help but think that with a different head coach, at least Simmonds would have progressed.

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Hasn't Moulson, Boyle and Purcell taught us anything about moving prospects before they have had a chance to prove themselves? Parse was a key component with getting the top line scoring and the Kings were 4-1 with him.

He has mad scoring ability. Something the Kings lack, don't let Murray **** up another skilled prospect. I think Dean will hang on to all of his prospects unless someone blows him away with an offer. He has learned his lesson.

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Hasn't Moulson, Boyle and Purcell taught us anything about moving prospects before they have had a chance to prove themselves? Parse was a key component with getting the top line scoring and the Kings were 4-1 with him.

He has mad scoring ability. Something the Kings lack, don't let Murray **** up another skilled prospect. I think Dean will hang on to all of his prospects unless someone blows him away with an offer. He has learned his lesson.
The kids you mention could not shine in the defense first system Murray and Lombardi want. They've done well on the looser system teams they are now. Everything the Isles did the other night was throwing the puck up ice to a forward or two that was floating the blue line. Not something that succeeds over a season or in the playoffs. The Kings were too tired to defeat that scheme that night.

Besides, they never would have proven themselves in the current Kings. They would have fit the 91-94 team. Let them be happy.

Parse is a crap shoot for me. I like his aggressiveness and hands but I'm not too sure he'll become an NHL sniper. I hope he does because he showed some flash.

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Holy Hell. I can't wait for Parse to get back from injury.. Watch him do nothing, but maybe a goal goes in off his skate and read posts like the ones I see now: "YEAH! See!? Parse has SICK SKILL!"

He doesn't. Where that idea came from I have NO clue.

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Hiller wasn't on the ice for practice today. I assume he's doubtful for tomorrow.

McElhinney last two games:
0-2-0 / 6.80 GAA / .757 SV%

Pielmeier career:
1GP / 7.50 GAA / .583 SV%

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LMAO - we swap out 6th defensemen to get Drewiskie a little playing time and people freak out and call for the coach's head...
The only thing that boggles my mind is, wouldn't you rather have the speed of Martinez, seeing as Anaheim does have some speedy forwards.

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Hiller wasn't on the ice for practice today. I assume he's doubtful for tomorrow.

McElhinney last two games:
0-2-0 / 6.80 GAA / .757 SV%

Pielmeier career:
1GP / 7.50 GAA / .583 SV%
So what you're saying is expect the Kings to make one of them look like world beaters.

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Hiller wasn't on the ice for practice today. I assume he's doubtful for tomorrow.

McElhinney last two games:
0-2-0 / 6.80 GAA / .757 SV%

Pielmeier career:
1GP / 7.50 GAA / .583 SV%
Which one will shutout the Kings tomorrow?

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