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02-23-2011, 12:56 PM
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Zherdev, Kotalik (re-entry), Colliton, Svatos and Rivet

Zherdev

Doesn't exactly fill a need but I'd gladly let him take Stalberg's spot on the roster. IF Bowman can't make use of our remaining cap space to get a D-man, and I stress that, this is the best use of our remaining cap space. There is no point to just not using it at all. We'd have to turn around and deal Stalberg for a pick or marginal D ugrade over Hendry/Boynton. Then waive Boynton. Would be great injury insurance and has been putting the puck in the net this year. Highly skilled but unmotivated. The question is simply who is better, Zherdev or Stalberg?

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02-23-2011, 01:29 PM
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Has no place on this roster. If Frolik isn't getting any PP time, a fourth line forward won't either.

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Zherdev needs to be in a top 6 role with PP to be effective for team

Thus he has no spot on Hawks when we wont even use Frolik in top 6 and PP

So moving Stalberg for a top 6 winger who we would force to play a role he isn't fit for makes no sense

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I'm just thinking he'd outplay Stalberg and if he gets up for the playoff games, he'd be an asset. Could chip in an important goal or two, not as confident with Vik.

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I'm just thinking he'd outplay Stalberg and if he gets up for the playoff games, he'd be an asset. Could chip in an important goal or two, not as confident with Vik.
Who wouldn't outplay Stalberg? I think Bobby Hull in his current state has more to offer than Stalberg

Zhedrev isn't a fit ,, Simple as that

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gotta agree with the others and say, no.

though the logic make sense as I would take the little black dude Beetlejuice from the Howard Stern show (not sure if still alive) over Stalberg at this point, but Zherdev as a 4th liner would be nothing but fail.

We already have a crafted offensive player in Frolik that we cant find room for apparently, we dont need another one playing on our crash and bang line.

If anything the Hawks need to get tougher, I would love to see a Tim Jackman, Jared Boll type player added to this team for our 4th line. A tough as nails player that can actually skate and chip in some offense. We desperately need that, maybe since Dallas is falling we can get Burish back on the cheap....I know his salary is kind of high for his production, but we need some of that energy back on our 4th line,.

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Because soft euro-******* who don't battle for the puck are exactly what this team needs more of...

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Zherdev is not an improvment over Stalberg on our 4th line..

You don't need your 4th line to play with the puck on a string and create offense, you need your 4th line to chip, chase, hit, and not be scored against.

Stalberg is not the ideal 4th liner on the Hawks, but he's a better 4th liner then Zherdev.

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Nevertheless, if things unfolded the way I presented them, may as well claim him and let him sit in the box in case a scorer gets hurt. I'll be pissed if Bowman does nothing with that space. I beleive in Bowman and if there is not a trade to be made, then there isn't one to be made, but pick someone up that in some scenario could help the team. Trade Stalberg for a cheap, physical 4th liner and let Z hang out in Ukranian village until/in case we have a major injury up front.

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Nevertheless, if things unfolded the way I presented them, may as well claim him and let him sit in the box in case a scorer gets hurt. I'll be pissed if Bowman does nothing with that space. I beleive in Bowman and if there is not a trade to be made, then there isn't one to be made, but pick someone up that in some scenario could help the team. Trade Stalberg for a cheap, physical 4th liner and let Z hang out in Ukranian village until/in case we have a major injury up front.
And cap wise as of now if we did get rid of Stlaberg and pick up Zherdev it doesn't work

And if we pick up Zherdev we will have no cap room to look for D improvment and no cap room in event of injury

And if Zherdev is a scratch you end up with this as our 4th line

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With Boynton back in as our #6

So under any of your scenario's we are in worse shape

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Zherdev is a MUCH better player then Stalberg. In a strictly fourth line role, however, Stalberg does things that Z can't.

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Because soft euro-******* who don't battle for the puck are exactly what this team needs more of...
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Zherdev is a MUCH better player then Stalberg. In a strictly fourth line role, however, Stalberg does things that Z can't.
Yep this is pretty much all that needed to be said

Zherdev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalberg at playing hockey

But Zherdev is not a player who can be a 4th line guy (I dont beleive Stalberg is either but he is better option on a 4th line then Z)

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Because soft euro-******* who don't battle for the puck are exactly what this team needs more of...
Bingo. Frolik makes Zherdev redundant.

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No thanks to Zherdev, but if we can fit Rivet for nothing it's worth a shot...

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Bingo. Frolik makes Zherdev redundant.

Frolik also makes Stalberg redundant, but I digress.

Teemu hit the nail on the head. The Hawks don't need more of that style of player.

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Frolik also makes Stalberg redundant, but I digress.

Teemu hit the nail on the head. The Hawks don't need more of that style of player.
Frolik and Zherdev are both average sized, soft, immensely skilled forwards who need to be in the top-six to flourish. Stalberg is a big guy with a ton of speed who can crash and bang on the bottom line. The Stalberg hate is getting absurd. He's not hurting us on the fourth line.

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No thanks to Zherdev, but if we can fit Rivet for nothing it's worth a shot...
Rivet is awful

Boynton > Rivet as far as I am concerned from what I have seen this year

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Frolik and Zherdev are both average sized, soft, immensely skilled forwards who need to be in the top-six to flourish. Stalberg is a big guy with a ton of speed who can crash and bang on the bottom line. The Stalberg hate is getting absurd. He's not hurting us on the fourth line.
Stalberg has absolutely no skill and was a wreck in top 6 role

He has nothing but speed as NHL attributes

Stalberg is a worthless hockey player with no skills and horrible hockey IQ. He isn't an NHL talent and shouldn't have been on roster in first place

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Yup, the Stalberg hate is getting absurd

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My comment did not stem from Stalberg "hate". Stalberg is a tweener and he doesn't really fit going forward in my opinion. His skill set would suggest that he's better suited for a top 6 role as opposed to a bottom 6 role. Just like Frolik, and just like Zherdev.

Stalberg had his opportunity in the top 6 and didn't perform well enough to stay there. Frolik has more offensive skill than Stalberg and is a better fit in the top 6 (not saying Frolik is the second coming or anything, he's replaceable as well), making Stalberg redundant.

For next year, the Hawks need more grit in their bottom 6, guys who can kill penalties, can agitate, can deliver hits consistently. Stalberg is not that player. So if he doesn't fit in the bottom 6, and IMHO Frolik has more upside/skill for a top 6 role, then yes, Stalberg is redundant as well and should be dangled as trade bait.

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Hawks need defensemen and a number 2 center. I don't see this happening at all.

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___________ is a worthless hockey player with no skills and horrible hockey IQ.
Eager? Burish? Adams? Fraser?

Fact is, most 4th liners have little to no skill and horrible hockey IQ. They make their living by providing energy. That's what Stalberg does. Stop treating him like a top 6 player, he's not. It's ironic that you acknowledge the fact he's not a top 6 player, but still hold him to those standards.

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This is the first time I've ever seen BWC NOT push for acquiring the awful Russian player.

But of course everyone's right, Zherdev is not what the team needs. None of the waived players would be worth picking up their salary.

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This is the first time I've ever seen BWC NOT push for acquiring the awful Russian player.

But of course everyone's right, Zherdev is not what the team needs. None of the waived players would be worth picking up their salary.
If we didn't pick up Frolik I would have some interest in Zherdev

He has talent when utilized right and his issues are overblown. He may be a prima-donna and his effort is ? but he wouldn't be 1st young player with high expectations to bounce around league before getting it

Example = Dan Cleary

As a top 6 winger with linemates who can cover for his defensive shortfalls he would be 30-30 guys consistantly at least

Problem in Philly was that they were using him in bottom 6 role and Lavialete was trying to force him to play strong D in his system

That isn't going to work. You cant force someone to be good at something they suck at and you cant bench that person in favor of Shelley (Bum) everytime he does something wrong

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