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Steve Bernier,Mike Smith [BOTH CLEAR] & Craig Rivet(re-entry)[CLAIMED BY CBJ]

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02-24-2011, 12:27 PM
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I LOVED Bernier. Thought he would be better than Penner.

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Someone for sure will claim Bernier.
Why? This isn't directed at just you but all who think Bernier or most wavier guys will be picked up. Don't you think that the GM of a team about to waive a player hasn't made at least 29 phone calls before waiving the player?

There is also the NHL's limit on signed players. If the team has 50 contracts they can't claim.

Then there is the cap. I have to believe that if a team really thinks that a $2,000,000 Bernier is an upgrade to who is currently employed on the team they would have offered up a 7th rounder or a lacklustre prospect.

Having said that now watch the guy get claimed.

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I wouldnt be surprised if the Canucks pick up Rivet at such a cheap cap hit he could be an upgrade on Rome/Tanev at a fraction of the cost saving the team valuable cap space when the other d-men return
not sure how he is "such a cheap cap hit". Correct me if I am wrong, but this guy has a $3.5 mil cap hit, and if Buff is on the hook for 50% of it, then that leaves a team with a $1.75 mil cap hit on a guy who couldnt crack Buffalo's defense core...

Now that cap hit is probably pro rated or something, not sure the exact number it would be, but I cannot imagine anyone picking him up if they are on the hook for a million plus imo.

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Why? This isn't directed at just you but all who think Bernier or most wavier guys will be picked up. Don't you think that the GM of a team about to waive a player hasn't made at least 29 phone calls before waiving the player?

There is also the NHL's limit on signed players. If the team has 50 contracts they can't claim.

Then there is the cap. I have to believe that if a team really thinks that a $2,000,000 Bernier is an upgrade to who is currently employed on the team they would have offered up a 7th rounder or a lacklustre prospect.

Having said that now watch the guy get claimed.
you also have to think, if this guy couldnt do anything in Florida, what the hell good is he going to be on my team?

you know he was given a chance to produce there, but his limitations and lack of skill became apparent. Florida is rolling three scoring lines over there, I doubt a single team picks him up as well, but I have eaten crow before...

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Feel for Bernier, he's a great kid, just never had the hockey sense to make an impact. Not the most skilled guy, but he works hard and now makes too much money for what he brings. Hopefully he lands somewhere in July on a bottom-6 contract.

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I lol @ the people lolling @ FLA.

Ballard sucks, overpaid.
Oreskovich sucks

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Howden, great prospect

I'd still do this trade today.

I don't get this logic.


Lets say there was a man who lived on a farm. One day a weary looking traveller came up to him and said to the man "I will trade you this comb, this mirror, and this potted plant, for your donkey and your chair."

"Well my god" the farmer thought to himself "how can I say no to this deal? The donkey costs a lot in upkeep, and that chair was good a year ago, but it hasn't been used in a while, it could be broken by now...I have to do this deal." So the farmer agreed.

The traveller went on his way, pleased with the deal.

The next day the farmer got up in the morning and went to try out his new comb, when he realized he had recently cut his hair short. "Well I won't need this anytime soon" so he threw out the comb.

The farmer looked at the mirror to get a good look at himself and realized he didn't like what he saw. All it revealed was what a sorry state the man was in. So he threw that away as well and went about his usual routine.

Later that month, the farmer was amidst selling off more of his stuff. Everything but the potted plant, because that plant could maybe one day grow into something amazing. While he was selling his stuff off, a neighbour happened by and asked the farmer if he had heard about a guy in the next town over, a guy with a magical comb.

"What is so good about the comb??" the farmer asked. "Well it is scoring at a 40 goal pace, kills penalties, and is making a name for himself in the rookie of the year race!" exclaimed the neighbour. "Well that's fine, I still have my potted plant. I am just curious, though, did you ever hear what happened to my donkey?" "Well I heard it's depenable and providing solid minutes on the blueline." "Oh. But I still have my potted plant, though." "Well you could have had the comb, still. That's kind of funny."

"BUT I STILL HAVE MY POTTED PLANT. What, pray tell, happened to my mirror?"

"Oh it's still a useless peice of crap......."

"Well there's that at least."

/fairy tale mode.



I don't mean to rub it in Floridas face, and lets say Howden becomes just an amazing player....it still doesn't negate the fact that Florida probably should have given Grabner more of a chance then they did.

Laughing at Florida for trading Bernier is hard to do, since for all we know that was a salary dump from the Canuck, and the Panthers might not have even wanted him that much. But waiving Grabner to keep Bernier.....that's a bit ugly at this point in time.

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not sure how he is "such a cheap cap hit". Correct me if I am wrong, but this guy has a $3.5 mil cap hit, and if Buff is on the hook for 50% of it, then that leaves a team with a $1.75 mil cap hit on a guy who couldnt crack Buffalo's defense core...

Now that cap hit is probably pro rated or something, not sure the exact number it would be, but I cannot imagine anyone picking him up if they are on the hook for a million plus imo.
Pro rated would be less than half a million. Could be a good deal if you are looking for dmen depth (looking at you Vancouver), seriously what is with Vancouver and dmen injuries, seems to be an annual thing.

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Womp, womp. Starting to feel bad for the guy, hopefully someone claims him Friday.
I like Rivet, hopefully someone claims him at the price for a playoff run...

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Ballard sucked last year for the Panthers; if he's doing better for Vancouver, cool. But fact of the matter is, he was attrocious last year, and is overpaid, anyway you look at it. His cap hit might not matter as much to a team like Vancouver, but it matters to the Panthers.

Yeah waiving Grabner was a huge mistake, but looking at the trade itself...what's basically left of it is Ballard for a 1st (Howden). Looking back at it, I would've taken that for Ballard the day he was traded. I was shocked when we got as much as we did for Ballard at the draft.

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Ballard sucked last year for the Panthers; if he's doing better for Vancouver, cool. But fact of the matter is, he was attrocious last year, and is overpaid, anyway you look at it. His cap hit might not matter as much to a team like Vancouver, but it matters to the Panthers.

Yeah waiving Grabner was a huge mistake, but looking at the trade itself...what's basically left of it is Ballard for a 1st (Howden). Looking back at it, I would've taken that for Ballard the day he was traded. I was shocked when we got as much as we did for Ballard at the draft.
It's too early to weigh in on Ballard IMO. He had off-season surgery, which slowed him down, and he had a concussion this year that he came back from too soon. He has showed glimpses of being worth that money, but right now, yeah, he is overpaid, but he could easily round into form and be worth the money. His cap hit is no joke for Vancouver, either, though, as we are basically tight against the cap.

With the way Vancouver's defense is set up though (No true number one d-man, kind of a collection of number 2 d-men) Ballard fits in perfectly with the defence by committee approach, and I think most fans are glad he is on the team, but we still haven't seen Ballard been given the minutes and the green light to fully see what he can do.

Time will tell. Plus, hey, Grabner needs more than one year to prove that he is the 'one that got away' to be fair.

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Ballard sucked last year for the Panthers; if he's doing better for Vancouver, cool. But fact of the matter is, he was attrocious last year, and is overpaid, anyway you look at it. His cap hit might not matter as much to a team like Vancouver, but it matters to the Panthers.

Yeah waiving Grabner was a huge mistake, but looking at the trade itself...what's basically left of it is Ballard for a 1st (Howden). Looking back at it, I would've taken that for Ballard the day he was traded. I was shocked when we got as much as we did for Ballard at the draft.
You also took Bernier's waste of a 2 million cap hit, allowing us to sign Raffi Torres.

Not sure a team paying Bryan McCabe 5.7 and Wideman 4 million (-26), would really be worried about Ballard's 4.2 cap hit. He's been under-utilized so far in Vancouver, but is signed long-term, and we expect him to be a big part of this team's current success and future cup runs.

Well worth Bernier's useless cap hit, a player Florida waived, and a 1st. I think most Canuck fans would still do that trade and we've only scratched the surface on what Ballard will do in the next 4 years.

Also find it hard to belieive Ballard was "attrocious" last year considering he had like 30 points and played top 4 minutes all year. Guess your coach didn't share your opinion. But hey, I'm sure he doesn't hold a candle to Wideman's -26 in similar minutes...

Overall this trade is pretty balanced, Canucks needed a defenceman now and Ballard will be more important as time goes on. Florida needed youth. Where this deal crosses the line for the Panthers is waiving Grabner and paying to have Bernier on your roster all year.

This deal isn't awful for Florida at this point, (though they'd better hope Howden develops into more than the Boyd Gordon/Kyle Chipchura-type he projects to), it's the overall asset management that people are questioning.

Turning Nathan Horton, Keith Ballard, Gregory Campbell, and Michael Frolik into Jack Skille, Denis Wideman and a prospect or two is questionable at best. That's where people are wondering what's going on in Florida.

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I don't get this logic.


Lets say there was a man who lived on a farm. One day a weary looking traveller came up to him and said to the man "I will trade you this comb, this mirror, and this potted plant, for your donkey and your chair."

"Well my god" the farmer thought to himself "how can I say no to this deal? The donkey costs a lot in upkeep, and that chair was good a year ago, but it hasn't been used in a while, it could be broken by now...I have to do this deal." So the farmer agreed.

The traveller went on his way, pleased with the deal.

The next day the farmer got up in the morning and went to try out his new comb, when he realized he had recently cut his hair short. "Well I won't need this anytime soon" so he threw out the comb.

The farmer looked at the mirror to get a good look at himself and realized he didn't like what he saw. All it revealed was what a sorry state the man was in. So he threw that away as well and went about his usual routine.

Later that month, the farmer was amidst selling off more of his stuff. Everything but the potted plant, because that plant could maybe one day grow into something amazing. While he was selling his stuff off, a neighbour happened by and asked the farmer if he had heard about a guy in the next town over, a guy with a magical comb.

"What is so good about the comb??" the farmer asked. "Well it is scoring at a 40 goal pace, kills penalties, and is making a name for himself in the rookie of the year race!" exclaimed the neighbour. "Well that's fine, I still have my potted plant. I am just curious, though, did you ever hear what happened to my donkey?" "Well I heard it's depenable and providing solid minutes on the blueline." "Oh. But I still have my potted plant, though." "Well you could have had the comb, still. That's kind of funny."

"BUT I STILL HAVE MY POTTED PLANT. What, pray tell, happened to my mirror?"

"Oh it's still a useless peice of crap......."

"Well there's that at least."

/fairy tale mode.



I don't mean to rub it in Floridas face, and lets say Howden becomes just an amazing player....it still doesn't negate the fact that Florida probably should have given Grabner more of a chance then they did.

Laughing at Florida for trading Bernier is hard to do, since for all we know that was a salary dump from the Canuck, and the Panthers might not have even wanted him that much. But waiving Grabner to keep Bernier.....that's a bit ugly at this point in time.
LOL and with that my friend you are the winner of internet.
I take back everything I said and surrender.

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Ballard sucked last year for the Panthers; if he's doing better for Vancouver, cool. But fact of the matter is, he was attrocious last year, and is overpaid, anyway you look at it. His cap hit might not matter as much to a team like Vancouver, but it matters to the Panthers.

Yeah waiving Grabner was a huge mistake, but looking at the trade itself...what's basically left of it is Ballard for a 1st (Howden). Looking back at it, I would've taken that for Ballard the day he was traded. I was shocked when we got as much as we did for Ballard at the draft.
No-one has touched on the fact that Ballard tried to murder your goaltender last year. I'm not a GM, but I know I don't want murderers on my team. How Tallon got value for the aforementioned murderer, is a feat all of its own.

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Steve Bernier... What a lazy, talent-wasting player. Doubt he'll ever figure it out.
Talent? what talent? we talking about the same player here?

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He's been good in the playoffs for the Canucks.

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I'd like Bernier but there's no room for him.

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I don't get this logic.


Lets say there was a man who lived on a farm. One day a weary looking traveller came up to him and said to the man "I will trade you this comb, this mirror, and this potted plant, for your donkey and your chair."

"Well my god" the farmer thought to himself "how can I say no to this deal? The donkey costs a lot in upkeep, and that chair was good a year ago, but it hasn't been used in a while, it could be broken by now...I have to do this deal." So the farmer agreed.

The traveller went on his way, pleased with the deal.

The next day the farmer got up in the morning and went to try out his new comb, when he realized he had recently cut his hair short. "Well I won't need this anytime soon" so he threw out the comb.

The farmer looked at the mirror to get a good look at himself and realized he didn't like what he saw. All it revealed was what a sorry state the man was in. So he threw that away as well and went about his usual routine.

Later that month, the farmer was amidst selling off more of his stuff. Everything but the potted plant, because that plant could maybe one day grow into something amazing. While he was selling his stuff off, a neighbour happened by and asked the farmer if he had heard about a guy in the next town over, a guy with a magical comb.

"What is so good about the comb??" the farmer asked. "Well it is scoring at a 40 goal pace, kills penalties, and is making a name for himself in the rookie of the year race!" exclaimed the neighbour. "Well that's fine, I still have my potted plant. I am just curious, though, did you ever hear what happened to my donkey?" "Well I heard it's depenable and providing solid minutes on the blueline." "Oh. But I still have my potted plant, though." "Well you could have had the comb, still. That's kind of funny."

"BUT I STILL HAVE MY POTTED PLANT. What, pray tell, happened to my mirror?"

"Oh it's still a useless peice of crap......."

"Well there's that at least."

/fairy tale mode.



I don't mean to rub it in Floridas face, and lets say Howden becomes just an amazing player....it still doesn't negate the fact that Florida probably should have given Grabner more of a chance then they did.

Laughing at Florida for trading Bernier is hard to do, since for all we know that was a salary dump from the Canuck, and the Panthers might not have even wanted him that much. But waiving Grabner to keep Bernier.....that's a bit ugly at this point in time.
Lol This was great! Thanks for the laugh.

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Rivet was placed on re-entry also.

Now his cap hit is something like $400k.
depending on whats going the other way for mccabe i'd like the rangers to pick him up

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I hope someone picks Rivet up on re-entry so he can continue his career, even in a depth mode.

Weird seeing both Bernier and Rivet on waivers on the same day. Just three years ago- Buffalo got them both in trades. Now, they can be had for free (no assets given up)

Basically- in summation- it was:

Brian Campbell and a 2nd round pick for Craig Rivet, a 3rd round pick and 08 1st rounder (Tyler Ennis).

Campbell and 7th for Bernier and 1st.
2 2nd rounders for Craig Rivet and 7th
Steve Bernier for a 2nd and 3rd done

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Bernier seems like the type of player made for the playoffs.

I could see him being claimed.

no

one of the reasons the canucks traded him was because he sucked in the playoffs. he tries to hit but he cant catch up to anybody to actually hit them. he has hands of stone, and has missed empty nets (and i mean wide open) more than a couple of times. he could'nt even play with the sedins, and the sedins made taylor pyatt into a 20 goal scorer.

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If i were Montreal I would take a crack at Bernier. Let him play alongside Pouliot and Desharnais. If the rumors are true, Gomez to either stlouis, phx or anaheim (wishful thinking) i would trade for Statsny. Supposedly he is available, but will cost a lot.

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Feel for Bernier, he's a great kid, just never had the hockey sense to make an impact. Not the most skilled guy, but he works hard and now makes too much money for what he brings. Hopefully he lands somewhere in July on a bottom-6 contract.
This is so strange. In SJ, he had an immense amount of talent, some people were positive he would score 40 goals some day and captain a team. It's just his work ethic was absolutely garbage, and he was quite over weight as well. This was the book on him when he was drafted as well, loads of talent, but needed to be taught work ethic.

Is this some kinda different Bernier?! Bernier never worked hard of us, maybe a few times but he always had soft hands, weird

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