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02-24-2011, 03:50 PM
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No, re-entry will never be an issue. If they assign him to the phantoms he will not report. If they don't assign it is not applicable. Based on the word on the street, the Flyers will waive him again at a later date when they believe someone will make a claim. If nobody does, Zherdev will likely be assigned to the Phantoms bolt to Russia and be suspended without pay. Either way, re-entry for Zherdev is not relevant. But, if it plays out differently - then yes, your point is valid. Just adding my .02.
No ***, I agree.

That doesn't answer that poster's question, does it?

If he's subject to re-entry, you cannot avoid that come playoff time.

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Since YOU created this thread calling out the Zherdev lovers, I just assumed a positive Zherdev post was from one of those folks you called out. Sorry.
CantSeeColors is a Zherdev lover too, you should get after him.

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02-24-2011, 04:03 PM
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No ***, I agree.

That doesn't answer that poster's question, does it?

If he's subject to re-entry, you cannot avoid that come playoff time.



CantSeeColors is a Zherdev lover too, you should get after him.
What's not to love? The guy just oozes with talent and they're just wasting it.

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I remember when:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=797777

I remember thinking even then that there is a good chance Zherdev turns out to be a failure.

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For a while, I remember thinking he would end the season in Russia

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i think everyone should publicly pick players they love or hate from now on so we can ridicule and call out people to make ourselves feel better on an internet hocky forum. then i will know what it feels like to be 12 again but with the internet existing.

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02-24-2011, 05:10 PM
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i think everyone should publicly pick players they love or hate from now on so we can ridicule and call out people to make ourselves feel better on an internet hocky forum. then i will know what it feels like to be 12 again but with the internet existing.
I Hate: Carle, Carcillo, Leighton, Walker, Holmgren (cap)

Just FYI

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02-24-2011, 05:28 PM
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i think everyone should publicly pick players they love or hate from now on so we can ridicule and call out people to make ourselves feel better on an internet hocky forum. then i will know what it feels like to be 12 again but with the internet existing.
When I was 12, the internet existed.

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02-24-2011, 05:33 PM
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I am not a zherdev supporter at all... im a little surprised someone didnt take a chance, pens could have had him for nothing but trade for kovalev for a 7th... that doesnt really make sense to me as they are both very much the same player, with kovalev being even less physical, more lazy, doesnt even know what defense means, and its very slow now,

anyway keep zherdev with the team as a scratch for just incase situations
Just incase what, we need a guy to get the ice ready for the zamboni??? I want this guy no where near the ice come playoff time....let him rot in the basement of the WFC for all I care.....

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Zherdev hater from Day one.

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could he be put on the playoff roster without clearing re-entry waivers? i'd still rather him out there over shelley so nodl can slide down to the 4th line for the playoffs.
No way....he may be the only one that I rather have Shelley out there then, but I rather have Shelley....I am fine with Nodl on the 3rd line, but if we do move him down to the 4th it should be because we acquire someone, not for ****dev

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i think everyone should publicly pick players they love or hate from now on so we can ridicule and call out people to make ourselves feel better on an internet hocky forum. then i will know what it feels like to be 12 again but with the internet existing.
If people would just repect other's opinions and not become total ***** everytime they disagree with something, then these "I told you so" threads wouldnt be necessary....

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I Hate: Carle, Carcillo, Leighton, Walker, Holmgren (cap)

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Holmgren, Walker, Zherdev, Leighton, Shelley, Carle....and if he doesnt finally show up in the playoffs this year, Carter.

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Holmgren, Walker, Zherdev, Leighton, Shelley, Carle....and if he doesnt finally show up in the playoffs this year, Carter.
It's pretty sweet when you have a team where you only dislike 2 or 3 roster players.

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02-24-2011, 05:41 PM
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It's pretty sweet when you have a team where you only dislike 2 or 3 roster players.
Now yes, a couple months ago the rest of those guys were on the roser

I am still undecided on Meszaros....Sometimes he looks like Pronger, sometimes he looks like Randy Jones....I dont know. I would love to see Carle moved in the offseason and let him learn playing with Pronger for a couple seasons.

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When I was 12, the internet existed.
GTFO my lawn.

Well, it existed when I was 12, but we didn't really hear about it until a few years later. We were perfectly happy with our yo-yo's though, so it wasn't that big a deal. Plus, my friend had an older brother who had all these porno magazines... but I digress.

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Now yes, a couple months ago the rest of those guys were on the roser

I am still undecided on Meszaros....Sometimes he looks like Pronger, sometimes he looks like Randy Jones....I dont know. I would love to see Carle moved in the offseason and let him learn playing with Pronger for a couple seasons.
I would do Timonen-Meszaros
Coburn-Pronger

If Carle were moved. Coburn's speed can help Pronger, I think the pairings would match better. And hopefully Pronger can teach Coburn how to play a big man's game more consistently, and teach him how to use his stick better

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02-24-2011, 05:55 PM
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I thought he should have been scratched all along. He has potential but not the attitude to reach it.

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02-24-2011, 06:12 PM
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I thought he should have been scratched all along. He has potential but not the attitude to reach it.
This is pretty much my attitude from the moment he was signed.

When you look at Zherdev you can't isolate his skills from everything else going on with him. A lot of us weren't "lovers" or "supporters", we were just optimistic about the addition of Zherdev. He lacks the drive to be an essential player on any NHL team, which spoils the skills he has.

Someone on here made a good point of having Zherdev as a possible replacement going forward. I wouldn't feel comfortable depending on Zherdev to jump in and fill a role in case of injury. It hasn't worked throughout the season, and I doubt it's going to work against harder competition in the playoffs. He has a specific style that just doesn't fit into this system. We all saw how important individual shifts can be throughout the playoffs, and having a guy who is notorious for contributing or assisting sporadically on your roster isn't the best option.

If you look at each game, it looks as though Zherdev is the only player not buying into Laviolette's system (other than Matt Walker, who is Matt Walker). These are the guys you weed out of a roster as the season progresses, especially with what happened in Carolina.

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I would do Timonen-Meszaros
Coburn-Pronger

If Carle were moved. Coburn's speed can help Pronger, I think the pairings would match better. And hopefully Pronger can teach Coburn how to play a big man's game more consistently, and teach him how to use his stick better
Good point...I would go with that.

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I would do Timonen-Meszaros
Coburn-Pronger

If Carle were moved. Coburn's speed can help Pronger, I think the pairings would match better. And hopefully Pronger can teach Coburn how to play a big man's game more consistently, and teach him how to use his stick better
I was hoping they were going to go after Eric Johnson. Pronger-Johnson, Timonen-Coburn, Meszaros-?. Of course it would have taken JVR to get that deal done, but the thought of a 22 year old Pronger for 10 years, sounds good to me.

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I remember when:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=797777

I remember thinking even then that there is a good chance Zherdev turns out to be a failure.
That's some good reading.

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i think everyone should publicly pick players they love or hate from now on so we can ridicule and call out people to make ourselves feel better on an internet hocky forum. then i will know what it feels like to be 12 again but with the internet existing.
I hate everyone standing in Z's way. Everyone else is cool though.

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If you look at each game, it looks as though Zherdev is the only player not buying into Laviolette's system (other than Matt Walker, who is Matt Walker). These are the guys you weed out of a roster as the season progresses, especially with what happened in Carolina.
Zherdev is too good for Laviolette's system. He's scored 15 goals in hardly any minutes, most of which came on the 4th line. What's he need a system for with results like that?

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Zherdev is garbage.

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i think everyone should publicly pick players they love or hate from now on so we can ridicule and call out people to make ourselves feel better on an internet hocky forum. then i will know what it feels like to be 12 again but with the internet existing.
Love:
Holmgren, Laviolette, Giroux, Richards, Pronger, Briere, Timonen, Bob, Boucher, Mes, O'd, Carter, Leino, Hartnell, Powe, Laps

Like:
Carle, Coburn, Versteeg, Betts, JVR, Nodl, Carcillo, Shelley, Leighton, Walker, Bartulis,

Hate:
Upshall, Downie, Umberger, Pitkanen, Randy Jones, Eminger, Asham, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp, etc

As long as the jersey is Orange and Black - I willl never hate the player. I know it isn't a popular opinion here, and I am not trying to troll or stir the pot.....just admitting, I am totally a "fan" of this team with orange colored glasses. I usually only post on this site when the negative posts I am reading get to me. Never to pile on with everyone else on the whipping boy of the day. I personally can't understand how you can hate the players with your words and then cheer for them when they play? It doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own. We are all fans, we just go about it in different ways.

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I just don't get the Carle hate on here. He's not perfect but he's a tremendous asset.

Somehow this guy has a key assist on pretty much every OT game-winner we've had over the last calendar year, including a couple of enormous ones in the playoffs, and he still can't get any love.

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Carle is the worst defender on the team.

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I just don't get the Carle hate on here. He's not perfect but he's a tremendous asset.

Somehow this guy has a key assist on pretty much every OT game-winner we've had over the last calendar year, including a couple of enormous ones in the playoffs, and he still can't get any love.
and he usually has a hand in every GWG the opposing team scores against us too.

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Carle is the worst defender on the team.
Im far from a hater of his, cause I do think he has offensive abilities, but defensively, he is horrendous... like last night, yet again, showed.

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I just don't get the Carle hate on here. He's not perfect but he's a tremendous asset.

Somehow this guy has a key assist on pretty much every OT game-winner we've had over the last calendar year, including a couple of enormous ones in the playoffs, and he still can't get any love.
It's hard to understand the hate. He got beat wide last night, a rarity for him. Then Pronger was standing behind the net, instead of in front of it, on the 2nd Isles goal - but that somehow must be Carle's fault too.....

The guy consistently plays solid hockey at both ends of the ice, and is a big reason the D is considered among the league's best. And he's still young and developing.

Let's trade him for garbage like Brad Boyes asap!

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