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02-24-2011, 08:40 AM
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I don't see how you can compare Sorrenson and Tarasenko. Rundblad at this point just looks like he's a better talent relative to his position. I say we 'win' in that trade.
It wasn;t more about comparing them as players (which you could do if you wanted to) it was more that if a player is a risk of never even seeing NHL duty for whatever reason being he may stay in the KHL or may not ever be talented, it's better to risk a late round pick on this risk then a #16 overall which if you want to be sucessfull, the 1st round pciks has to be a player that plays on your team.

Big risk by St. Louis and it's not like they traded a depth Dman to get Tarasenko, they traded away a really high end prospect to get him, to me I think it's unwise.

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02-24-2011, 08:44 AM
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Yeah apparently his speed once he gets a head of steam isn't too bad, and said to be about average for the WHL, its just that he's got no explosiveness. Thats something you can easily improve and I hope our organization is as committed and insistant on him getting that help as we are.

It'd be sweet if hes a 2nd or 3rd liner who can snip it like a Rabbi, he's got the size to be a versatile player in terms of the roles he plays.
I think right now Zack Smith might be a decent comparison, Stone's blooming a little earlier...and may have better offensive instincts and touch.

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Big risk by St. Louis and it's not like they traded a depth Dman to get Tarasenko, they traded away a really high end prospect to get him, to me I think it's unwise.
That's one way to look at it. If they were willing to trade Runblad to get Tarasenko it tells me Tarasenko must be VERY VERY good. And we're not talking about a new management team that traded a guy drafted by the former. It's the same guys who drafted him that traded him.

Time will tell. At this point both guys are total zeroes. I mean 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 minutes and 0 seconds of NHL ice time so nobody won squat here.

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That's one way to look at it. If they were willing to trade Runblad to get Tarasenko it tells me Tarasenko must be VERY VERY good. And we're not talking about a new management team that traded a guy drafted by the former. It's the same guys who drafted him that traded him.

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It's an example of how drafting BPA works...they stocked up at one position and got a player another team coveted and filled a need with the return. Rundblad didn't have the year he had this year...and likely looked like more of a project for St Louis while EJohnson and Petro were ready to go.

No one should be doubting Tarasenko's real good either. He was a top 5 talent in the draft. The questions of how long will you have the guy scared teams off...the KHL becomes more attractive by the year.

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02-24-2011, 09:21 AM
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It's an example of how drafting BPA works...they stocked up at one position and got a player another team coveted and filled a need with the return. Rundblad didn't have the year he had this year...and likely looked like more of a project for St Louis while EJohnson and Petro were ready to go.

No one should be doubting Tarasenko's real good either. He was a top 5 talent in the draft. The questions of how long will you have the guy scared teams off...the KHL becomes more attractive by the year.
Not to mention, STL with the trade had 2 first round picks. They could afford to gamble with the Sens pick they obtained. If the Sens picked Tarasenko and it didn't work out, because he wasn't going to come over, etc. it would have been a wasted pick, and more ammo for the fire Murray crowd.

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I dream of the day when the KHL and the NHL are equals and we can have the NHL all-stars against the KHL all-stars.
Really, and lose out on getting to see some of the elite stars regularly? I like the NHL being the best because I'm selfish that way.

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Rundblad held pointless, but Silfverberg picked up two apples. 31pts for him now.

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Where does this "apples" expression come from?

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Player Position League Games Played Goals Assists Points +/- PIM
Aneloski, Bryce D WCHA 32 2 13 15 +11 12
Ben Blood D WCHA 33 1 6 7 +20 42
Borowiecki, Mark D ECAC 27 3 8 11 -4 61
Sdao, Michael D ECAC 22 2 6 8 E 59
Caporusso, Louie C CCHA 34 9 15 24 +15 20
Costello, Jeff LW CCHA 32 8 4 12 -5 50
Grant, Derek C CCHA 34 7 24 31 E 38
Wideman, Chris D CCHA 32 2 16 18 +3 28
Cowen, Jared D WHL 47 15 25 40 +37 81
Stone, Mark RW WHL 60 32 54 86 +8 28
Culek, Jakub LW QMJHL46 6 12 18 +3 35
Petersson, Andre RW SEL 31 8 4 12 5 18
Rundblad, David D SEL 49 10 31 41 +4 10
Sandin, Emil LW SEL 25 0 3 3 -3 6
Silfverberg, Jakob LW SEL 46 14 14 28 -7 14
Sorensen, Marcus RW J20 SuperElit 25 12 21 33 47
SEL 7 1 1 2 2 0
Butler, Bobby RW AHL47221133+535
NHL14527-122
Condra, ErikRWAHL54172946+1928
NHL4011+12
Daugavins, KasparsLWAHL52122436+320
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Gryba, EricDAHL48123+299
Hoffman, MikeLWAHL5171118-114
O’Brien, JimCAHL51162339+1455
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Wick, Roman RW AHL52121325+616
Wiercioch, Patrick D AHL 504610-1115


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2G - 3A, 42 GP
2G - 3A, 8 GP


Finally figured it out? Lucky? Enlighten me.

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02-25-2011, 09:52 AM
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At what point does his skill outweigh his speed? Could he be like Trent Hunter? Ryan Smyth? Cheechoo?
dont want to put a spoke in anybody's wheel,but a couple of years ago there was this kid named casey pierro-zabotel.

6.2 about 190-200lbs as a 19 year old he put up 115 points. now he plays the echl.

stone has a lot to work on, let's hope this season gives him the confidence to do so.

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02-25-2011, 11:02 AM
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dont want to put a spoke in anybody's wheel,but a couple of years ago there was this kid named casey pierro-zabotel.

6.2 about 190-200lbs as a 19 year old he put up 115 points. now he plays the echl.

stone has a lot to work on, let's hope this season gives him the confidence to do so.
He was a year older than Stone when he did that. At Stone's current age, he was under a point-per-game.

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02-25-2011, 11:15 AM
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I didn't follow him, but I remember Pens fans saying CPZ was a complete and total headcase. At the very (very) least, it seems Stone is a better teammate.

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dont want to put a spoke in anybody's wheel,but a couple of years ago there was this kid named casey pierro-zabotel.

6.2 about 190-200lbs as a 19 year old he put up 115 points. now he plays the echl.

stone has a lot to work on, let's hope this season gives him the confidence to do so.
The guy was an overager and only played his last two years of junior in the dub. When he was Stone's age that guy was in the BCHL. By the looks of it, he played on a line with Evander Kane. He was noted to be a player with finishing ability that could not carry an offense...but he had the ability to finish what was presented for him. He played on one of the best teams in the WHL as a 20 year old....Stone is 18 and plays on a poor and rebuilding team in Brandon.

I'm sure there are examples of players like Stone that failed...but I bet there's some like Stone that succeeded if you're just going to analyze numbers. Statistically though, this player fails to compare. By the sounds of it, the people that watched this play fail to see a comparison either. Well other than their first couple steps...keep in mind though...this guy's feet were still slow at 20.

Edit: Scratch that, he was 19.... year older. Still.

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David Rundblad tops talented group of Ottawa Senators prospects.

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Bdn scores 7, but Stone held pointless. Bust.

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(3:20) That curl and drag shot he makes between the defenders legs for the perfect rebound set up was unreal.

To me his skating leaves no doubt in my mind that he can succeed on the smaller ice.

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Rundblad vs Silvferberg today.
Haven't seen Jacob for a while but has impressed me every game I've seen of him this season.

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(3:20) That curl and drag shot he makes between the defenders legs for the perfect rebound set up was unreal.

To me his skating leaves no doubt in my mind that he can succeed on the smaller ice.
His game will probably have to "tone down" but it doesn't change the fact that it still appears like he has the skills required to be a point producing defensemen in the NHL. Going forward our top two pairings should be outstanding on transition, very important.

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Rundbald seems to do a lot of east/west as he comes north/south, not gonna be much east/west room in the NHL and I think he is going to have a tough transittion.

When I saw him at the WJC in Ottawa his confidence is contagious, but he did -(exactly like Karlsson in the same tournament) skate himself INTO trouble more then he skated himself out of trouble.

Good thing Cowen will be back there to cover up for him.

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I agree, a Cowen-Rundblad combination would be very complimentory. However, two rookies playing together, with no veteren d-men may turn out ugly for us.

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