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02-26-2011, 12:36 PM
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Come Monday it'll all be sorted out.
Why didn't DL just wait until Monday to waive Sturm then?

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02-26-2011, 12:40 PM
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I don't think Dean cared one way or the other whether or not Sturm was claimed. It wouldn't have mattered either way. He wouldn't have waived him if he weren't prepared for either scenario... This is Dean Lombardi we are talking about. He had a 50 page report and mile long chart prepared for each scenario.

Let's wait till after the deadline before we start critiquing his moves. Come Monday, if we have Nash on our team doubters will be face first in the mud passed out from eating so much crow; or if we have Harrold as our first line winger, the same could be said of supporters Nobody has any clue what is happening right now, all we know is Dean wanted to make a roster spot available just in case, that's all.

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02-26-2011, 12:42 PM
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Why didn't DL just wait until Monday to waive Sturm then?
He knows exactly where he stands at the deadline. If he waited till Monday, then he wouldn't know what he had to work with, if another player came up in the deal, he would have to waive someone else because he wouldn't know whether or not Sturm would clear or be claimed.

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I don't mind Sturm getting picked up but the problem is Lokti got injured. Now GM's are gonna try and force DL's hand so I hope he stands strong and doesn't overpay, thats my biggest issue.

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02-26-2011, 12:44 PM
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Thanks for clarifying this. I asked this question a few times yesterday and nobody responded. This just compounds the head scratcher for me. Given the roster expands Monday, DL could have sent Martinez down for a few days if he really wanted to keep Sturm.
I haven't crunched the numbers but I'm almost positive that Martinez is waiver eligible now.

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Why didn't DL just wait until Monday to waive Sturm then?
A roster spot isn't opened until a waived player is claimed or clears and is assigned. Friday was the last day Sturm could be waived to open a roster spot before the trade deadline.

Of course, there were other ways to open a roster spot, but they chose Sturm.

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02-26-2011, 12:47 PM
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A roster spot isn't opened until a waived player is claimed or clears and is assigned. Friday was the last day Sturm could be waived to open a roster spot before the trade deadline.

Of course, there were other ways to open a roster spot, but they chose Sturm.
Another poster stated that if a trade is made and a team goes over the 23 man limit, they have 24 hours to get back under meaning he could have waived Sturm when he made a trade.

I just see a lot of people drawing a lot of conclusions that we really don't have any answers for.

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There's no link to common sense on the internet.

Come Monday it'll all be sorted out.

right, and common sense would surely indicate that were there ACTUALLY a 99.9% chance Sturm would get claimed, he wouldn't be practicing on the 1st line less than 24 hours before the team's next game.

unless he knew Washington was going to make a claim and waived him for that purpose, other than what he suggested as mere "roster flexibility," then fine... it just becomes a case of Dean talking out the side of his neck. if it was indeed about roster flexibility, there WAS another far less risky option available to him, and instead he opted to gamble on Sturm - a player he was likely willing to lose should it play out that way.

willing to lose and intending on losing are two different things.

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02-26-2011, 12:53 PM
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He knows exactly where he stands at the deadline. If he waited till Monday, then he wouldn't know what he had to work with, if another player came up in the deal, he would have to waive someone else because he wouldn't know whether or not Sturm would clear or be claimed.
i don't think he would have... i believe Alec Martinez is waiver exempt.

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02-26-2011, 12:55 PM
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Another poster stated that if a trade is made and a team goes over the 23 man limit, they have 24 hours to get back under meaning he could have waived Sturm when he made a trade.

I just see a lot of people drawing a lot of conclusions that we really don't have any answers for.
If that's the case, the only conclusion I can draw is that they were ready to give up on him for whatever reason. Probably didn't think he would end up playing and they wanted to expose him to waivers with the hope someone would pick him up and relieve them of his salary.

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02-26-2011, 12:58 PM
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Another poster stated that if a trade is made and a team goes over the 23 man limit, they have 24 hours to get back under meaning he could have waived Sturm when he made a trade.

I just see a lot of people drawing a lot of conclusions that we really don't have any answers for.
Is the exemption for a 24th player or anything above 23? If we might possibly be acquiring two players (Hemsky and Penner?) then this move makes more sense.

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02-26-2011, 12:59 PM
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Why didn't DL just wait until Monday to waive Sturm then?
In addition to what's already been suggested, the teams considering Sturm that have cap/roster space today may not come Monday. The Caps may have made a trade for someone else if Sturm wasn't available, eliminating a destination from the mix.

I have to think that he has a deal (or deals) already in place and is waiting for Monday to pull the trigger. He could do it sooner but if I were controlling the budget I'd tell him to wait until the last minute before taking on new salary. If that's the case, then Sturm obviously isn't part of the team equation moving forward and Dean decided to take care of that ASAP.

Just speculation of course. We'll know for sure end of day Monday.

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In addition to what's already been suggested, the teams considering Sturm that have cap/roster space today may not come Monday. The Caps may have made a trade for someone else if Sturm wasn't available, eliminating a destination from the mix.

I have to think that he has a deal (or deals) already in place and is waiting for Monday to pull the trigger. He could do it sooner but if I were controlling the budget I'd tell him to wait until the last minute before taking on new salary. If that's the case, then Sturm obviously isn't part of the team equation moving forward and Dean decided to take care of that ASAP.

Just speculation of course. We'll know for sure end of day Monday.
The logical next question would be what if no deal is made before the deadline? What if other teams in the conference attempt to improve and the Kings move forward with no Sturm OR Loktionov? Is that how a crafty GM builds a winner? Is this the blue print Detroit laid down and Lombardi stole like The Hamburglar?

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02-26-2011, 01:37 PM
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In addition to what's already been suggested, the teams considering Sturm that have cap/roster space today may not come Monday. The Caps may have made a trade for someone else if Sturm wasn't available, eliminating a destination from the mix.

I have to think that he has a deal (or deals) already in place and is waiting for Monday to pull the trigger. He could do it sooner but if I were controlling the budget I'd tell him to wait until the last minute before taking on new salary. If that's the case, then Sturm obviously isn't part of the team equation moving forward and Dean decided to take care of that ASAP.

Just speculation of course. We'll know for sure end of day Monday.
I think we might also see something go down this weekend, possibly today after the Avs game. If you have a new player or players coming in, it'd be nice to give them a some time with the team to practice/get acclimated before the Detroit game on Monday.

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The logical next question would be what if no deal is made before the deadline? What if other teams in the conference attempt to improve and the Kings move forward with no Sturm OR Loktionov? Is that how a crafty GM builds a winner? Is this the blue print Detroit laid down and Lombardi stole like The Hamburglar?
Detroit did lose Quincey on waivers, so maybe

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02-26-2011, 01:45 PM
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I just see a lot of people drawing a lot of conclusions that we really don't have any answers for.
We'll know on Monday, and in case it's still not clear, Breakfast with the GM is only a week away.

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Looks like Kyper had a good reason to be pissed. McCabe just traded to the Rangers..

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Looks like Kyper had a good reason to be pissed. McCabe just traded to the Rangers..
The Rangers may be able to make some noise in the playoffs if Gaborik is healthy. King Henrik is winning games by himself.

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The logical next question would be what if no deal is made before the deadline? What if other teams in the conference attempt to improve and the Kings move forward with no Sturm OR Loktionov? Is that how a crafty GM builds a winner? Is this the blue print Detroit laid down and Lombardi stole like The Hamburglar?
Dean likely overplayed his hand on this one. He wasn't counting on the Caps claiming Sturm I would imagine.

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02-26-2011, 02:01 PM
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Dean likely overplayed his hand on this one. He wasn't counting on the Caps claiming Sturm I would imagine.
The Caps are way up there on the waiver priority list. If they hadn't picked him about, about 15 other teams could have.

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DL had to have known there would be a pretty good chance of Sturm getting claimed. There are a lot of desperate teams right now. He would be stupid to think he wouldn't get claimed, and DL isn't stupid. He's got something up his sleave. And I also don't believe Loktionov was gonna get a call-up soon had he not gotten injured last night.

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02-26-2011, 02:07 PM
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Meh, I'm indifferent with Sturm being claimed. He wasn't doing anything out there. He was only a healthy body that can be inserted into the lineup with a hefty cap hit. It was a gamble acquiring (albeit a low risk one) and it was yet another gamble to waive him. So he's claimed, big whoop. There are plenty of plugs in Manchester who can provide the same type of impact Sturm had on the Kings. If they are going to call someone up and use them in the top six, it should be Moller.

Either way, the idea behind waiving Sturm was that they can send him down should they need the cap space for a bigger transaction. Now that cap space is available and they can call someone up or add players without losing anyone from the roster.

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The Caps are way up there on the waiver priority list. If they hadn't picked him about, about 15 other teams could have.
their waiver priority was 22.

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What makes the most sense to me is a deal is in place with the Avs and someone didnt want the awkward switching of locker room and immediately playing your former teammates situation. I'll guess a trade for Stastny not involving roster players or Stastny and a winger for Stoll plus non-roster players.

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What makes the most sense to me is a deal is in place with the Avs and someone didnt want the awkward switching of locker room and immediately playing your former teammates situation. I'll guess a trade for Stastny not involving roster players or Stastny and a winger for Stoll plus non-roster players.
If we got Stastny, it would be at least Voynov + 1st 2011 + Stoll + Another pick OR Hickey/Teubert.

More than likely Schenn would be going the other way, though.

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