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02-26-2011, 12:57 PM
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Did The Odds Of Lombardi Doing Little To Nothing Just Increase?

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The cost of batteries after a major earthquake.

The price for a left wing after a Sturm.

The LA Kings lost Andrei Loktionov to a season ending left shoulder injury yesterday.
Dean Lombardi’s waiver move with Marco Sturm backfired when the Washington Capitals picked up the veteran left wing.

You may think this increases the chance of Dean Lombardi making a trade. Perhaps. Another perspective is the loss of Loktionov and Sturm puts Lombardi in a greater position of weakness in negotiations because the LA Kings‘ need for a left wing has suddenly hit critical mass. Supply and demand – there was already a short supply of left wing forwards. The LA Kings now have a greater demand for one. Hence, the market price goes up.
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I don't think another GM would do this to a fellow trade partner. As the old saying goes, what goes around comes around, and I doubt anyone wants to risk being in the same position when it's their time to have to make a deal.

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Interesting point of view. I think Lombardi has deals on the table, he's hesitant and now losing Sturm and Loktionov in less than 24 hours gets him back to the table. Instead of saying I'll call you later it's time to say done deal pal. Don't forget, losing 2 players doesn't boost morale in the locker room. These guys see what the other teams are doing, their opponents are loading up for a run and as of right now the Kings are losing players. I expect a deal to get done before the deadline.

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I'm fine with doing nothing.
Beore Lombardi pulls another Purcell we leave the team like it is and use the Prospects.
We should have done this before the Boyle and Purcell accidents.
Sure, Loktionov is out for season but Moller deserves another chance and Parse will be ready soon.
These guys should have been the right choice over all of these Sturms and Ponys.

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If anything this makes Dean have to be more aggressive. Perhaps that's a good thing. You now could argue we should bring up a depth forward like Cliche as well.

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They went up. Sturm is gone to clear cap room.

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... I don't see where Dean needs to do anything. After all, Westgarth is now entrenched in the lineup, and if anything else happens - there's always time to call up Dwight King. The Stanley Cup awaits.

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They went up. Sturm is gone to clear cap room.
like tacking on an extra $875k to the Googlion they already had was the kicker?

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They went up. Sturm is gone to clear cap room.
Really? Going from $18 million available to $22 million available, who the hell is Dean getting? Nash, Vanek and Richards?

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IF DL does nothing, I'll be very upset. I'm not expecting us to do a major move, but how we could let a guy like Zherdev go without a claim when we needed goalscorers off the wing as is is assinine. At a cap hit of about $500K for the rest of the year, a UFA after the season, and coming to us for free, Zherdev would have helped. To not claim him, then lose Sturm on waivers makes no sense. There better be a deal coming or I think DL crapped the bed this deadline.

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Interesting point of view. I think Lombardi has deals on the table, he's hesitant and now losing Sturm and Loktionov in less than 24 hours gets him back to the table. Instead of saying I'll call you later it's time to say done deal pal. Don't forget, losing 2 players doesn't boost morale in the locker room. These guys see what the other teams are doing, their opponents are loading up for a run and as of right now the Kings are losing players. I expect a deal to get done before the deadline.

I think that was the resoning behind the Halpern/Modin deals last year. Half fill a depth need, half to show the guys management supports making the playoffs and will do something to improve the club. Nothing major mind you, but better than doing nothing while the rest of the playoff teams load up.

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I'm fine with doing nothing.
Beore Lombardi pulls another Purcell we leave the team like it is and use the Prospects.
We should have done this before the Boyle and Purcell accidents.
Sure, Loktionov is out for season but Moller deserves another chance and Parse will be ready soon.
These guys should have been the right choice over all of these Sturms and Ponys.
Purcell I'll give you, but what has Boyle done the last 40 games to show he was an accident? Remember when he had like 10 goals in 15 games? At this point he has 20 goals and 31 points in 63 games. Do you even think he'd crack our top two lines? I doubt it. We got a 3rd for him as well, which I think turned into either Jordan Weal, or the 3rd we got from Toronto at the 2010 draft.

Outside of a really hot 20 games, what did Boyle do that makes him some steal and us got ripped off?

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They went up. Sturm is gone to clear cap room.
They had lots of cap room before waiving Sturm.

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Purcell I'll give you, but what has Boyle done the last 40 games to show he was an accident? Remember when he had like 10 goals in 15 games? At this point he has 20 goals and 31 points in 63 games. Do you even think he'd crack our top two lines? I doubt it. We got a 3rd for him as well, which I think turned into either Jordan Weal, or the 3rd we got from Toronto at the 2010 draft.

Outside of a really hot 20 games, what did Boyle do that makes him some steal and us got ripped off?
Are you joking? 20 goals is not needed on this team? Not bad for a bottom 6 player who crashes the net for NYR.

FYI, Kopitar also has 20 goals this season.

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Are you joking? 20 goals is not needed on this team? Not bad for a bottom 6 player who crashes the net for NYR.

FYI, Kopitar also has 20 goals this season.
Of course 20 goals is needed. My point is that Boyle is more like a regular season version of Chris Kontos this year. half those goals came in 15 games. The other 48, he has 10, so he's not really a 20 goal guy. It happens. Hell, Eric Boulton had a hat trick this year, but that's not Boulton.

Don't forget Boyle had a total of 12 goals in 107 games before this season. Do you really expect Boyle to get 20 again next year? I don't.

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Of course 20 goals is needed. My point is that Boyle is more like a regular season version of Chris Kontos this year. half those goals came in 15 games. The other 48, he has 10, so he's not really a 20 goal guy. It happens. Hell, Eric Boulton had a hat trick this year, but that's not Boulton.

Don't forget Boyle had a total of 12 goals in 107 games before this season. Do you really expect Boyle to get 20 again next year? I don't.
Well time will tell which of us is right.

Boyle has always had the talent to be a solid 3rd line center who could develop into a second liner in time. Size actually does, except in rare cases cause player to take longer to develop and Boyle is living proof of that.

He will go on to be a monster to play against when he wants to be and while that isn't great it also isn't bad. He'll crack 20 next year in my opinion and is just now starting to reach his prime. He could do so for a number of years.

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Purcell I'll give you, but what has Boyle done the last 40 games to show he was an accident? Remember when he had like 10 goals in 15 games? At this point he has 20 goals and 31 points in 63 games. Do you even think he'd crack our top two lines? I doubt it. We got a 3rd for him as well, which I think turned into either Jordan Weal, or the 3rd we got from Toronto at the 2010 draft.

Outside of a really hot 20 games, what did Boyle do that makes him some steal and us got ripped off?
Richardson is on pace for 8 goals.

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Purcell I'll give you, but what has Boyle done the last 40 games to show he was an accident? Remember when he had like 10 goals in 15 games? At this point he has 20 goals and 31 points in 63 games. Do you even think he'd crack our top two lines? I doubt it. We got a 3rd for him as well, which I think turned into either Jordan Weal, or the 3rd we got from Toronto at the 2010 draft.

Outside of a really hot 20 games, what did Boyle do that makes him some steal and us got ripped off?
... 20 goals is 20 goals, regardless of when or where they are scored.

And to say he couldn't crack the Kings' top six is laughable when you consider the Kings have played Dwight King, Brad Richardson, and an injury-addled Marco Sturm at first line LW.

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Lombardi has a long history of being gun shy!
don't hold your breath for anything out of this guy,like San Jose LA will need to bring in a closer.
he is holding Schenn like he is the second coming,Hemsky is out there and better than he will ever be.

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Of course 20 goals is needed. My point is that Boyle is more like a regular season version of Chris Kontos this year. half those goals came in 15 games. The other 48, he has 10, so he's not really a 20 goal guy. It happens. Hell, Eric Boulton had a hat trick this year, but that's not Boulton.

Don't forget Boyle had a total of 12 goals in 107 games before this season. Do you really expect Boyle to get 20 again next year? I don't.
Half of Kopitar's goals came in 15 games.

Also, everyone knew Boyle was an extremely long term project that was made longer by the Kings shufling him from playing C and defense. Watch him play. he's really good.

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Lombardi needs to make a trade. If he misses out on the playoffs it's very likely that he will be canned. He knows that. The Kings are not a shoo in to make the playoffs let alone win a playoff series. They are on one of the greatest runs in franchise history and they are only 2 points secured in the picture. The Kings will not stay this hot and it's their history to go very cold, very fast.

The Kings do not have scoring talent and their system is old. They need a player and I'm pretty sure Dean will do something.

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Lets assume that you are right OceanAveOiler and that Schenn will never be as good at being a second line center and team captain type then Hemsky is at being primarily a set up talented RW.

Have you considered that the Kings are overloaded at RW and that our actual need is at LW and also at 2nd line center?

Maybe what DL is doing is holding out for a player that fits an actual need position of ours?

I mean I like Hemsky but you have to admit that he is one of the more injury prone top 6 players in the game and that while he is still a great player he is only going to get more and more fragile as he gets older and he is certainly allot more expensive then Schenn will be.

All of that aside, I would love to have Hemsky on our team but why in the world would we give up our perfect fit for second line center who is, no matter what anyone else says, talented enough to where people seem to get all upset that we won't deal him to their teams.

In fact, the people who seem to think the least of Schenn from other teams are typically the ones who want to get him the most.

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Lombardi has a long history of being gun shy!
don't hold your breath for anything out of this guy,like San Jose LA will need to bring in a closer.
he is holding Schenn like he is the second coming,Hemsky is out there and better than he will ever be.
I'm willing to bet that in 3-4 years Schenn will be a hell of a lot better than Hemsky.

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Here's a brief history of Dean Lombardi's deadline transactions (or transactions leading up to the deadline) since he has been a GM in the NHL. It might put things in perspective as to how Lombardi operates at the trade deadline and if there are any tendencies or patterns we might notice in his deadline deals:


AS SHARKS GM
(Acquisitions listed on top, players/assets traded listed on bottom)

1996-03-16
1996 second round pick (#46-Geoff Peters), 1996 fourth round pick (#102-Matt Bradley)
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Ray Sheppard, 1996 fourth round pick (#82-Joey Tetarenko)

1996-03-18
Darren Turcotte, 1996 second round pick (#31-Remi Royer)
FOR
Craig Janney

1996-03-20
1996 fifth round pick (#132-Elias Abrahamsson)
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Kevin Miller

1997-02-08
Bob Errey claimed off waivers (from Red Wings)

1998-03-24
Bryan Marchment, David Shaw, Lightning conditional right to swap 1998 first round picks (#2-David Legwand)
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Andrei Nazarov, Lightning conditional right to swap 1998 first round picks (#1-Vincent Lecavalier)

1998-03-24
Joe Murphy, cash considerations
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Todd Gill

1999-03-23
Vincent Damphousse
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1999 fifth round pick (#145-Marc-Andre Thinel), 2000 first round pick (#16-Marcel Hossa), 2000 or 2001 second round pick (Sharks option) (2001 #53-Kiel McLeod)

2001-03-05
Teemu Selanne
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Jeff Friesen, Steve Shields, 2003 second round pick (#36-Vojtech Polak)

2001-03-06
Bill Lindsay
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2001 eighth round pick (#233-Joe Campbell)

2001-03-12
Jeff Norton
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Bobby Dollas, Johan Hedberg

2003-03-05
Alyn McCauley, Brad Boyes, 2003 first round pick (#21-Mark Stuart)
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Owen Nolan

2003-03-08
2003 third round pick (#97-Ryan Donally), 2003 fifth round pick (#163-Brad Richardson)
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Bryan Marchment

2003-03-11
2003 second round pick (#50-Ivan Baranka)
FOR Dan McGillis

2003-03-11
Wayne Primeau
FOR Matt Bradley

Relieved of duties as Sharks GM on 3/18/2003

AS KINGS GM
(Acquisitions listed on top, players/assets traded listed on bottom)

2007-02-05
Jason Ward, rights to Marc-Andre Cliche, rights to Jan Marek, 2008 conditional third round pick (if the Kings fail to sign Jan Marek this year)
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Sean Avery, rights to John Seymour

2007-02-26
2007 or 2008 second round pick (2007 #61-Wayne Simmonds), 2008 fourth round pick (#101-Justin Jokinen)
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Brent Sopel

2007-02-27
2007 fifth round pick (#137-Joshua Turnbull)
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Jason Ward

2007-02-27
Jamie Heward
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conditional fifth round pick (if Kings re-sign Heward) (not exercised)

2007-02-27
Jaroslav Modry, Johan Fransson, 2007 second round pick (#52-Oscar Moller), 2007 third round pick (#82-Bryan Cameron), 2008 first round pick (#28-Viktor Tikhonov)
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Mattias Norstrom, Konstantin Pushkarev, 2007 third round pick (#64-Sergei Korostin), 2007 fourth round pick (#94-Maksim Mayorov)

2008-02-19
2008 third round pick (#88-Geordie Wudrick)
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Jaroslav Modry

2008-02-21
Matt Ellis claimed off waivers (from Red Wings)

2008-02-26
2008 second round pick (#61-Peter Delmas), 2009 fourth round pick (#119-Ben Chiarot)
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Brad Stuart

2008-02-26
2008 seventh round pick (#185-Paul Karpowich)
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Jean-Sebastien Aubin

2009-03-04
Justin Williams
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Patrick O'Sullivan, 2009 second round pick (#51-Brian Dumoulin)

2010-03-03
Fredrik Modin
2010 conditional seventh round pick (if Kings win 2010 Stanley Cup) (not exercised)

2010-03-03
Jeff Halpern
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Teddy Purcell, 2010 third round pick (#63-Brock Beukeboom)

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