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02-27-2011, 12:46 AM
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Richie probably says, keep trying hard so lavy will put you with me instead of nodl, they guy has no hands and now he thinks he can stick handle.

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Is it Zherdev's fault that he was one of the best Flyers tonight because he was scratched and waived before the game? If not, than WTF is everyone else's excuse.... give me a break.

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Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up just yet. Even if he plays well the next few games, I don't see it lasting. We've seen this play out before. Play well...slack off...get benched...play well...slack off...get benched. Until he plays well (meaning defense etc, not just look fancy in the offensive zone) for a considerable amount of time, I will just keep expecting him to come out with a lackluster effort. Hopefully I'm wrong and being paranoid because it sure would be great to have a 100% effective head in the game Zherdev in the playoffs, I'm just not holding my breath.
That pretty much sums up a bunch of Flyers. Carter does the same ****, the difference being he doesn't get benched for it. They've had Z on a short leash since day 1, while some of our other players get a "get out of jail free" card. Kind of hard to rag on him so hard when others aren't held to the same standards.

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The Flyers are a better team with Zherdev in the lineup. All he needs to do is at least make an effort on defense and he can be a regular. problem is, he won't.

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Richie probably says, keep trying hard so lavy will put you with me instead of nodl, they guy has no hands and now he thinks he can stick handle.
Ummmm...I guess we have a lot of Russians on this board.


Nodl - 10G 20P +12
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Nodl will get better, Zherdev wont. Nodl has out played him this year....one of the reason why Zherdev hasnt been on the ice.

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The Flyers are a better team with Zherdev in the lineup. All he needs to do is at least make an effort on defense and he can be a regular. problem is, he won't.
And you justificaiton for this is what???? Its not even close...Might want to do some research before making such an outlandish comment.

They are 11 and 3 without Zherdev in the lineup. That is a winning % of .790 (All of those losses coming in the last 7 games when the whole team has been crap....Until then they were undefearted without him in the lineup.

With him in the lineup they are 30 and 19 .672 winning percentage.

(these obviously ignore overtime losses/shootouts, etc. just pure W&L)

Zherdev has point in only 13 of his 48 games. In those 13 games, they are 7-6. 3 of his 19 points came in that 8-7 loss to TB. He has 1 GWG.

Anyone who looks at that and thinks this guy is the least bit important to this team is either a family member or blind.

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That pretty much sums up a bunch of Flyers. Carter does the same ****, the difference being he doesn't get benched for it. They've had Z on a short leash since day 1, while some of our other players get a "get out of jail free" card. Kind of hard to rag on him so hard when others aren't held to the same standards.
Carter has been our best defensive forward this year. He is a +21. Only ones close to that are Leino/Briere, and they havent played with Carter at all.

Carter has also scored points in 33 games compared to Zherdev's 13.

Zherdev and Carter are not even in the same universe....and I have been more critical of Carter than most.

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Anyone who looks at that and thinks this guy is the least bit important to this team is either a family member or blind.
I think people's concerns are less about him specifically, and more so about other players on this team who get free passes. Zherdev's game has a few gaping holes for sure, but this was known well before hand by all of us here and certainly people within the organization.

At this point its not so much about Zherdev, but more so as to people picking up on similar - if not more often - short comings and mistakes by players who have no threat to their roster spot. Does Nodl deserve a spot on the nightly line up more than Zerdev? I believe so, but if that spot is to be on a line with Richards and or JVR on a nightly basis, then Nodl is playing out of his skill level on a line that's job should be to inject an offensive punch.

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So, Zherdev had a good game last night. Instead of talking about how well he played, let's talk about how he's not going to play well in the future .


...and you guys didn't even want to give him a chance.

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The enigma has a chance to go from the dog house to the penthouse if he can just skate hard on both ends of the ice.He has mad skills on offense, no question about it, hopefully he can humble himself and become contrite for his past sins and have a go at a championship ! I actually like him a lot when he is playing hard.

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So, Zherdev had a good game last night. Instead of talking about how well he played, let's talk about how he's not going to play well in the future .


...and you guys didn't even want to give him a chance.
We've seen this song and dance before. It will end the same way.

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That pretty much sums up a bunch of Flyers. Carter does the same ****, the difference being he doesn't get benched for it. They've had Z on a short leash since day 1, while some of our other players get a "get out of jail free" card. Kind of hard to rag on him so hard when others aren't held to the same standards.
LOL at comparing Zherdev to Carter on the defensive side of the game. Carter is leaps and bounds ahead of Zherdev in defense and I haven't really noticed him taking shifts off or slacking off on the ice. Zherdev is absolutely the laziest and selfish player in the league. If you don't believe me as the 29 teams that wouldn't even take him for free. It is possible for players to change, but like I said, I am not holding my breath. Once he thinks he has his spot back on the team, I'd look for him to start being our old friend Z again. All the talent in the world, none of the effort.

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I'm sure this will get squashed into the general thread when it gets announced, but McKenzie has reported on twitter that the only player claimed was Svatos.

That means Zherdev was free for the taking on a one-year deal (with only 400K remaining or whatever) and not a single team in the league wanted him. Still think he's oh-so-great?
He's still awesome.

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Ummmm...I guess we have a lot of Russians on this board.


Nodl - 10G 20P +12
Zherdev - 15G 19P +7

Nodl will get better, Zherdev wont. Nodl has out played him this year....one of the reason why Zherdev hasnt been on the ice.
Just a question, what are the games played to the two players? Does (did) nodl get powerplay time (honest q)? Does Z get line mates or powerplay time? Can z score? (the answer is yes) why isn't he on the powerplay as a powerplay specialist? is the answer becasuse the powerplay doesn't need help? did z originally get stuck with shelley (and still score)? Does (did) nodl play with Richards? Take a step back and look at the whole picture. I'm not even that big of a fan of the guy, but the hate is stupid. what did he sleep with everyones mom?


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And you justificaiton for this is what???? Its not even close...Might want to do some research before making such an outlandish comment.

They are 11 and 3 without Zherdev in the lineup. That is a winning % of .790 (All of those losses coming in the last 7 games when the whole team has been crap....Until then they were undefearted without him in the lineup.

With him in the lineup they are 30 and 19 .672 winning percentage.

(these obviously ignore overtime losses/shootouts, etc. just pure W&L)

Zherdev has point in only 13 of his 48 games. In those 13 games, they are 7-6. 3 of his 19 points came in that 8-7 loss to TB. He has 1 GWG.

Anyone who looks at that and thinks this guy is the least bit important to this team is either a family member or blind.
Its probably Zherdevs fault they lost. You pointed it out in black and white. Not d issues, no goaltending, no scoring, or no consistant lines (since breaking up the hbl line, which isn't that bad of an idea. there was a poll as to what that line should be called and one of the gay answers was two and a half men)

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Carter has been our best defensive forward this year. He is a +21. Only ones close to that are Leino/Briere, and they havent played with Carter at all.

Carter has also scored points in 33 games compared to Zherdev's 13.

Zherdev and Carter are not even in the same universe....and I have been more critical of Carter than most.
I love your cliches. Not even close, not in the same universe, etc. I'm not related to Nik and don't have brain damage, but his goal scoring capabilities can come in quite handy. Problem is his brain.

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I think people's concerns are less about him specifically, and more so about other players on this team who get free passes. Zherdev's game has a few gaping holes for sure, but this was known well before hand by all of us here and certainly people within the organization.

At this point its not so much about Zherdev, but more so as to people picking up on similar - if not more often - short comings and mistakes by players who have no threat to their roster spot. Does Nodl deserve a spot on the nightly line up more than Zerdev? I believe so, but if that spot is to be on a line with Richards and or JVR on a nightly basis, then Nodl is playing out of his skill level on a line that's job should be to inject an offensive punch.
Who is getting a free pass?? Every player on this team has a hole or two....but NONE as gaping as Zherdev, at least not among the forwards. Carter doesnt use his body enough and isnt the best passer, but he plays great defensively and doesnt hurt you out there. Zherdev scores goals and does nothing else, plain and simple. Scoring goals is not the only important thing in hockey, especially when you have Richards, Carter, Briere, Leino, Hartnell, JVR, and now Versteeg on the team. You do realize that the majority of this year, Richards' line has been the "3rd line" That is exactly where Nodl belongs. Lavi likes to mix things up for a few games here and there but Nodl is averaging 13 min per game which is right where he should be.

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So, Zherdev had a good game last night. Instead of talking about how well he played, let's talk about how he's not going to play well in the future .


...and you guys didn't even want to give him a chance.
And what did he do that he had a good game??? He couldnt score on a breakaway, had 3 bad turnovers and missed the net about 4 times....No goals, no assists. Great game!!!

He especially looked great on that 3 on 2 he was on where instead of going to the open area of the ice he just skated right behind Carter like a lost puppy.....

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Just a question, what are the games played to the two players? Does (did) nodl get powerplay time (honest q)? Does Z get line mates or powerplay time? Can z score? (the answer is yes) why isn't he on the powerplay as a powerplay specialist? is the answer becasuse the powerplay doesn't need help? did z originally get stuck with shelley (and still score)? Does (did) nodl play with Richards? Take a step back and look at the whole picture. I'm not even that big of a fan of the guy, but the hate is stupid. what did he sleep with everyones mom?
Nodl 52, Zherdev 48. Both are within a minute of average icetime and neither is getting much time on the powerplay as there are 6 forward ahead of them both on the depth chart, they shouldnt be.

The hate is because he is a guy that has the skill to score 40 goals and 80 points in this league, but he doesnt play within a team structure, doesnt hustle, doesnt use his size, doesnt attempt to play defense. The guy simply cant play "the game of hockey"

He needs to be on a team where he can play on the top line and do whatever the heck he wants with the puck..at the very least in the top 6. On this team he is the 7th best forward on his best night. On most nights he is the 9th best forward, but then gets knocked out of the lineup because grit is needed, not goals.

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Its probably Zherdevs fault they lost. You pointed it out in black and white. Not d issues, no goaltending, no scoring, or no consistant lines (since breaking up the hbl line, which isn't that bad of an idea. there was a poll as to what that line should be called and one of the gay answers was two and a half men)
Yeah, cause I said it was Zherdev's fault that they lost

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I love your cliches. Not even close, not in the same universe, etc. I'm not related to Nik and don't have brain damage, but his goal scoring capabilities can come in quite handy. Problem is his brain.
What goal scoring capabilities??? You mean the one where 5 players have more goals than him and two are tied with him??? You mean that guy that has scored 60 points in this league a couple times is on pace for 26??? Or the guy that only has 4 assists??? Darrel Powe and Blair Betts have 10 and 7, respectively. Someone with his hands should get 25 assists by accident and he has 4. That is pathetic and proof of why Lavi doesnt play him all that much, because he doesnt know how to play for the team.

Do you see who is on this team??? Briere, Hartnell, Leino, Carter, Richards, JVR, Giroux, Versteeg.....He is not getting ice time above any of these players, he just simply is not good enough. And when you have those players on your team, you need to mix in some grit and sandpaper on the bottom lines and he doesnt do that either....The guy does not fit this team and does not have the mental makeup to succeed wihtin a team structure. If you cant see that, you are either a) not watching the games or b) think you are watching basketball...

Homer took a risk in signing him and it has failed. Period. The Zherdev era is over.

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how the team is better with him in the lineup....Last time I checked, I wasnt the one that said that.

And the best sign of all....he is on a very good contract and no one wanted to claim him on waivers...FOR FREE....No one.


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What goal scoring capabilities??? You mean the one where 5 players have more goals than him and two are tied with him??? You mean that guy that has scored 60 points in this league a couple times is on pace for 26??? Or the guy that only has 4 assists??? Darrel Powe and Blair Betts have 10 and 7, respectively. Someone with his hands should get 25 assists by accident and he has 4. That is pathetic and proof of why Lavi doesnt play him all that much, because he doesnt know how to play for the team.

Do you see who is on this team??? Briere, Hartnell, Leino, Carter, Richards, JVR, Giroux, Versteeg.....He is not getting ice time above any of these players, he just simply is not good enough. And when you have those players on your team, you need to mix in some grit and sandpaper on the bottom lines and he doesnt do that either....The guy does not fit this team and does not have the mental makeup to succeed wihtin a team structure. If you cant see that, you are either a) not watching the games or b) think you are watching basketball...

Homer took a risk in signing him and it has failed. Period. The Zherdev era is over.

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how the team is better with him in the lineup....Last time I checked, I wasnt the one that said that.

And the best sign of all....he is on a very good contract and no one wanted to claim him on waivers...FOR FREE....No one.
The era is not over yet...We have been a very healthy team this year so far, wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the top nine are lost at some point, at which time Zherdev becomes an attractive stopgap. That is also to say nothing about the fact that Nodl still is playing a regular shift. While the merits of having some "sandpaper" are up for debate in the new NHL, the fact that Shelley still dresses is confounding, whether he's good in the locker room or not.

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Listen, anyone who seriously thinks Zherdev had a 'poor' game against Ottawa is just beyond reasoning with. Highly doubt anyone on the Flyers' coaching staff were berating him for his performance yesterday. His speed on the breakaway and the other in-close shot he had? Explosive would be the word. As for his defense. Well, was he on the ice for any of the Ottawa goals? The answer is no, not for a single one of them. Keith Jones said he was the best Flyer on the ice, albeit that says maybe more about the poor play from the rest of the lot. Whether he can continue that type of play, of course, is up for debate, and, given his past, sceptics have valid reason to believe he won't. As for statistics showing Nodl is a better player than Zherdev, I offer the famous quote: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Interesting, how a thread appealing for Zherdev "lovers" to "report to duty" has in fact brought more Zherdev haters out from beneath the rocks.


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The era is not over yet...We have been a very healthy team this year so far, wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the top nine are lost at some point, at which time Zherdev becomes an attractive stopgap. That is also to say nothing about the fact that Nodl still is playing a regular shift. While the merits of having some "sandpaper" are up for debate in the new NHL, the fact that Shelley still dresses is confounding, whether he's good in the locker room or not.
Wow.

Did you by any chance watch the finals last year???

Byfuglien, Ladd, Brouwer, Eager, Kopecky, and to a lesser extent Burish all played that role for the Hawks last year. One of the reason they beat us was their size and grit in the bottom six.

How about the year before?? Talbot, Staal, Cooke, Kunitz, Guerin

And the year before that??? Draper, Holmstrom, Drake, Maltby, Cleary, McCarty, Helm

And the year before that??? Kunitz, Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Pahlsson, Niedermayer, Moen

And the year before that??? Craig Adams, Kevyn Adams, Brindamour, Larose, Ladd

No, it isnt useful in the new NHL.....not at all

In our top 9, we have Hartnell...and Richards. None of our guys shy away from contact, but none of them bring that grit the rest of those guys bring. Powe and Carcillo can only do so much....Shelley is lucky to get 2 minutes a game if any in the playoffs. Nodl isnt the best in this role, but he is light years better than Zherdev who offers NONE of this. His spot in the lineup needs to go to a guy like those above.

Ummm, also did you notice when Leino was out, Shelley was dressed....someone else went down, Carcillo was dressed. Lavi wasnt even using him to replace his injured players. I dont want Shelley dressed either, but his spot needs to go to Powe, Carcillo, even Wellwood before it goes to Zherdev. Zherdev is useless if not scoring....and he isnt scoring enough to warrant any icetime above the top 9 we already have....and he certainly isnt going to score on the 4th line.

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Listen, anyone who seriously thinks Zherdev had a 'poor' game against Ottawa is just beyond reasoning with. Highly doubt anyone on the Flyers' coaching staff were berating him for his performance yesterday. Keith Jones said he was the best Flyer on the ice, albeit that says something about the poor play from the rest of the lot. Whether he can continue that type of play, of course, is up for debate, and, given his past, sceptics have valid reason to believe he won't. As for statistics showing Nodl is a better player than Zherdev, I offer the famous quote: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Interesting, how a thread appealing for Zherdev "lovers" to "report to duty" has in fact brought more Zherdev haters out from beneath the rocks.
You dont need statistics to show that Nodl is better...even though they do....the fact that their coach plays him more is enough....and you just simply need to watch the games.

He didnt play "poor" last night....but he didnt do anything more than he has all year, which is nothing....

You do realize the whole point of "Lovers report for duty" is to show how stupid and warranted all the Zherdev love is, right???

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He's still awesome.

I feel bad for Z.
He can be awesome in the KHL next year where he belongs.

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You do realize the whole point of "Lovers report for duty" is to show how stupid and warranted all the Zherdev love is, right???[/QUOTE]

What is it my friend, "stupid" or "warranted" love coming Zherdev's way.

Probably a typo on your part. You seem to be getting quite worked up.

As for this thread, it started after not one team showed nary a bit interest in picking up Zherdev from waivers.

His supporters, I believe, were challenged to explain how could it be that a player his supporters say is so terrific, just couldn't find any suitors from a single NHL team.

I noted the irony that instead of his supporters, among whom I consider myself one, we have had a lot of vitriol directed Zherdev's way, including your impressive contribution.

Get it?

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He can be awesome in the KHL next year where he belongs.
Actually, I agree with you, although I wouldn't suggest the KHL is much inferior if at all to the NHL.

In fact, I'd argue in terms of hockey, the KHL may be on par if not better than the NHL. However, everything else in the NHL from stadia to salaries, to level of professionalism is much higher than in the KHL.

(And just as Zherdev may not fit the style of play in the NHL, there are probably more than a few NHL players who couldn't hack it in the KHL, among them some Flyers, like Carcillo, Shelley, Powe, and even Hartnell. Wouldn't be able to adapt to the skating and passing afforded by the bigger rinks. Much better suited to the NHL's pinball-like hockey.)

Would love to see St. Petersburg take on the NHL's best.

If they played in both Russia and North America, I could see the Russian team taking a best of seven series, although I would bet each team would win their home games.

I bet Mike in New Jersey that you've never watched any KHL games. Am I right?


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