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02-21-2011, 11:40 AM
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The passing isn't helped by the almost total lack of rapid puck movement. Player receives pass....holds....tries to pass...repeat until turnover happens or someone finally shoots. They give the PK unit far too much time to position themselves.
I see the same thing. The high-octane PP units are making the PKers chase the puck, and the passing is quick and precise. The Flyers, first of all, have all kinds of trouble too often just establishing puck control in the offensive zone, and then like you say are sluggish with their puck distribution.

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02-21-2011, 11:41 AM
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Leino didn't get his bearings until the playoffs.
To be fair Leino really didnt play much until the injuries during the playoffs.

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To be fair Leino really didnt play much until the injuries during the playoffs.
He was still practicing with the team though. System can be learned in practice

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I see the same thing. The high-octane PP units are making the PKers chase the puck, and the passing is quick and precise. The Flyers, first of all, have all kinds of trouble too often just establishing puck control in the offensive zone, and then like you say are sluggish with their puck distribution.
Nobody shoots it either..

Too many passers on the PP units.

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02-21-2011, 11:49 AM
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Well, the PP has been pretty effective with Pronger out there... not so much when he's not out there. They need to figure out how to play without his bomb from the top.
I'll take your word on Pronger's relative PP effectiveness without requesting statistics, or actually taking the time to look them up. Like you and others have said, PKers are keying on Pronger, so the unit as a whole has to get a lot more versatile, which is what I was trying to convey. Plus, Pronger is a very good passer; I'd like to see more plays where a forward slips into the high slot to receive a short pass. Theoretically, you then have a 3-on-2 situation for 1-2 seconds with a Flyer and at least 1 defender in front of the net, and either a high-quality shot on net or a pass out for a one-timer to the player coming off the boards.

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02-21-2011, 08:54 PM
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Our powerplay just doesnt seem to have the intensity needed, I think its almost come down to a mindset, I mean in years past our pp was rated in top 3 alot of the time but we relied on it so much. I mean the players knew that they had to score on the powerplay to win games, this year with the dominance on 5 on 5 maybe there isnt as much focus.....

its hard to rationalize that its 17th with all of the talent

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02-21-2011, 09:03 PM
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The PP is more effective with Pronger out there solely because he at least shoots.

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02-22-2011, 11:30 AM
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The sad thing about the current PP is that, before even working on the system for getting a good shot through, the units have to get much better at just gaining the offensive zone and setting up. If there were a stat on PK zone clears / PP zone clear allows, the Flyers would almost certainly be top (bottom?) 10 in the latter. The other teams look far too comfortable challenging the puck carrier at the blue line, because there is way too much attempted dangling into the zone, resulting in an easy clear all the way down the ice. Alternatively, when they pound it in, they often seem poorly positioned to fight for the puck or immediately pressure the defender.

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02-22-2011, 12:15 PM
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Power play should be a max of 3-4 passes then a shot, quick ones with someone in front, who cares if a man blocks it, break his limbs. Players are less likely to be hit a lot with shots...

More shooting, more screening and people need to move more without the uck instead of staying in one place while the puck carrier 'thinks' about what to do.....


LESS COMPLICATION!!!

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02-22-2011, 12:51 PM
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The sad thing about the current PP is that, before even working on the system for getting a good shot through, the units have to get much better at just gaining the offensive zone and setting up. If there were a stat on PK zone clears / PP zone clear allows, the Flyers would almost certainly be top (bottom?) 10 in the latter. The other teams look far too comfortable challenging the puck carrier at the blue line, because there is way too much attempted dangling into the zone, resulting in an easy clear all the way down the ice. Alternatively, when they pound it in, they often seem poorly positioned to fight for the puck or immediately pressure the defender.
It's a trade-off that they're really not doing well in dealing with.

You either hit the line with speed or you dump in and forecheck like hell...the problem with our entry is that the neutral zone drop-pass and charge over the line has become beyond predictable. Everyone knows exactly when and where it's coming, and on top of the pass being obvious, the puck carrier isn't doing much with all that speed - it's straight up the middle every time, or to the strong side boards, and either of those are easy to converge on at the blue line. Even if it's not a turnover, it's an easy chip out of the zone just by disrupting the carrier.

Then we turn to the dump in, and the speedier PK units are going to get there quick enough to prevent any of our forecheckers (many of whom are held up at the line expecting the drop-pass recipient to skate in) from getting in and establishing any control.

It's become a far too predictable play, and the puck carrier is making bad decisions that kill the rush while the rest of the unit doesn't have the speed necessary to dump and chase...the approach that they have right now just isn't really conducive to either method, it's a mentality caught somewhere between the two and unable to execute anything.

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02-22-2011, 08:49 PM
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nah we don't need Versteeg on the PP - not when Nodl is performing so well

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02-27-2011, 02:54 PM
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How has Versteeg been fairing in Philly overall? I notice he's betting about 18 minutes a game. Looks like he's got 1 goal in the past five.

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How has Versteeg been fairing in Philly overall? I notice he's betting about 18 minutes a game. Looks like he's got 1 goal in the past five.
his only goal was an empty netter, but he is learning the system and developing chemistry with Richards

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02-27-2011, 05:53 PM
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nah we don't need Versteeg on the PP - not when Nodl is performing so well

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Hate on a 3rd line grinder....but your precious Zherdev who is "supposed" to be a 1st liner cant even get in the lineup over Shelley when one of our top wingers goes down to injury....makes sense.

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02-28-2011, 11:58 AM
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Hate on a 3rd line grinder....but your precious Zherdev who is "supposed" to be a 1st liner cant even get in the lineup over Shelley when one of our top wingers goes down to injury....makes sense.
I'd almost be tempted to put Shelley out there to put up the screen in front of the net.

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02-28-2011, 12:41 PM
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Power play should be a max of 3-4 passes then a shot, quick ones with someone in front, who cares if a man blocks it, break his limbs. Players are less likely to be hit a lot with shots...

More shooting, more screening and people need to move more without the uck instead of staying in one place while the puck carrier 'thinks' about what to do.....


LESS COMPLICATION!!!
Agree with the theory on keeping it simple, especially if they are focusing on the points as the primary source of the shot selection.

Just my .02 cents but I would love to see them simplify the entry a lot more and see if they can get Briere and Giroux the puck behind the net more thus, in theory, opening up the points to pinch a little more.

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