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02-28-2011, 05:09 PM
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soooooo Richards basically said he wants to a Ranger if he's not a Star today. Have to take that as a big Positive
And Penner is making $4.25 next season in LA. You have to think that puts a real strain on their ability to make a run at Richards. He's not going to Toronto. TB has the same ownership issues that Dallas has. Boston will have to choose between Kaberle and Richards... assuming Savard is done. It's between us and Dallas as of today, things may change. If Dallas can't get the franchise sold, they are out too.

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02-28-2011, 05:13 PM
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Im vehmently against signing Brad Richards to the needed 5-6 year deal. We've been down this road a million times before. We sign player over 30 to long contract, we then look to dump him in 2 years because he is preventing us from making other moves.

If Richards wants to sign a reasonable 3 year contract, hey bring him on. Say NO to the long term deal.

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02-28-2011, 05:15 PM
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And Penner is making $4.25 next season in LA. You have to think that puts a real strain on their ability to make a run at Richards. He's not going to Toronto. TB has the same ownership issues that Dallas has. Boston will have to choose between Kaberle and Richards... assuming Savard is done. It's between us and Dallas as of today, things may change. If Dallas can't get the franchise sold, they are out too.
Tampa Bay does not have ownership issues. I don't know what makes you think that.

Vinik bought the team and is very wealthy and is spending a ton of money to fix the arena, has made nothing but positive changes, and is not unstable. If anything Tampa Bay is a legitimate threat to sign Brad Richards as he is friends with VL4, MSL, and they are a much more complete team than the Rangers are at this point.

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02-28-2011, 05:16 PM
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All in all today was a great success. While some people want instant gratification, Sather made the right move by doing nothing.

-Richards will want to come here in the offseason which means that regardless of where the Rangers finish, Torts will be back.

-The Knicks move of Mello is guaranteed to make Dolan money via playoff revenue and maybe they have a deep run so that'll keep him off of the Rangers backs.

-A top 4 centers next year of Richards, Stepan, Anisimov, and Boyle is pretty darn good. Worst case scenario, one of them moves to wing to make room for Werek, Hagelin, Horak playing 4th line center.

-If they don't make the playoffs this year, that's ok, they're going in the right direction and despite what some people think, there IS some talent in the draft this year. Having a shot at Brandon Saad, Joel Armia, Viktor Rask, Ty Rattie, or Mike Zibanejad in round 1 is a sweet opportunity. With two seconds, they can gamble on someone smaller like a Grimaldi if he's still available or take a Matthew Nieto who fits the Gordie Clark mold. And it's time for them to draft another goalie.

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02-28-2011, 05:20 PM
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Tampa Bay does not have ownership issues. I don't know what makes you think that.

Vinik bought the team and is very wealthy and is spending a ton of money to fix the arena, has made nothing but positive changes, and is not unstable. If anything Tampa Bay is a legitimate threat to sign Brad Richards as he is friends with VL4, MSL, and they are a much more complete team than the Rangers are at this point.
Hmmm, my bad. I thought they still had they issues between Barrie and the other guy. I thought I read on the boards that they still had turmoil but I am far from in the know.

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02-28-2011, 05:29 PM
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I'm surprised we didnt acquire anyone. Mitchell doesnt count. I'm talking about adding another offensive threat even if it wasnt Richards. I really thought Sather was going to bring BR here. I guess the offer was just too high. Nieuwendyk is an idiot. He will lose BR for nothing. Dallas is barely hanging on in the Western Conference. BR isn't ready to come back. How long can they last?

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02-28-2011, 05:44 PM
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good job keeping our young core together! Sather will get Brad in FA.

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02-28-2011, 05:49 PM
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Im vehmently against signing Brad Richards to the needed 5-6 year deal. We've been down this road a million times before. We sign player over 30 to long contract, we then look to dump him in 2 years because he is preventing us from making other moves.

If Richards wants to sign a reasonable 3 year contract, hey bring him on. Say NO to the long term deal.
when was the last time we signed an elite player over 30 to a long contract?

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02-28-2011, 06:01 PM
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Im vehmently against signing Brad Richards to the needed 5-6 year deal. We've been down this road a million times before. We sign player over 30 to long contract, we then look to dump him in 2 years because he is preventing us from making other moves.

If Richards wants to sign a reasonable 3 year contract, hey bring him on. Say NO to the long term deal.
Clearly you are against this team taking the next step.

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A little disappointed the Stars didn't lower their asking price; having more time to negotiate and having him down the stretch could have been really helpful. Sather did the right thing and didn't give an assets up.

I'm not sure why some of you are so confident he will sign here on July 1st, Richards shot down the rumors that he was asked to waive his no trade clause. Of course New York is a desirable place to play, but other teams with more cap space may be able to offer more money and/or a longer contract. I do think we have a good chance, but I'm not going to get too far ahead of myself.

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02-28-2011, 06:06 PM
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Well, no one is certain Richards will sign here, and no one should be.

But there is mutual interest, and coupled with the Stars management situation, there is a shot.

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Well, no one is certain Richards will sign here, and no one should be.

But there is mutual interest, and coupled with the Stars management situation, there is a shot.
Exactly, and I'll take that.

I'm happy we didn;t give away any assets for what could've turned out to be a rental, but I have to admit, I was starting to get a little "deadline day fever" and sort of hoping it would happen.

I'm better now.

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02-28-2011, 06:46 PM
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Wow, Penner was available?? FAIL ON SATHER FOR SLEEPING ON THAT! AND NO GOALIE!

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02-28-2011, 06:47 PM
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Wow, Penner was available?? FAIL ON SATHER FOR SLEEPING ON THAT! AND NO GOALIE!
You think we should have given up a first, a former first, and a third for an overpaid 20 goal scorer who is UFA after next year?

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02-28-2011, 06:56 PM
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I like the Brad Boyes deal for Buffalo. 2nd round pick for Boyes is a good deal.

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02-28-2011, 06:57 PM
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when was the last time we signed an elite player over 30 to a long contract?
I dunno about elite, but I'm guessing he's talking about Redden/Drury/Gomez. I'm guessing he thinks one of "da kids" will fill in the spot.

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02-28-2011, 06:59 PM
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There's always a buzz around the deadline, with everyone wanting the team to make an awesome, blockbuster move. There's always a sense of disappointment when little happens.

However, I wasn't keen on any of the players that were reportedly available, or at least to cost required to obtain them. So doing nothing today is fine by me. We weren't winning the Cup this year with a Richards or Stastny, anyway.

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02-28-2011, 07:02 PM
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You think we should have given up a first, a former first, and a third for an overpaid 20 goal scorer who is UFA after next year?
Those 20 goals would be leading this team. 30+ goals last year, might hit it again this season. But other than that, I agree with you.

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02-28-2011, 07:20 PM
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No Richards?



Whether you want him or not, trading for him would've been stupid.

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Whether you want him or not, trading for him would've been stupid.
Well, trading for him in a deal for Anisimov, Grachev (or other highly regarded prospect), a first and another roster player would've been stupid.

Trading for him for Anisimov, a first and a conditional 2nd wouldn't have been. Depends on the price and Sather made the right decision.

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You sit here and hate on the Drury and Gomez Signings but god everyone thought that those were taking the next step, Gomez was viewed as just entering his prime and would score 90pts with Jagr. Meanwhile getting drury was the next coming of jesus christ himself.

People really have short term memories here. But no go ahead lets lock someone(with a concussion) up to a 5-6 year deal. Yea good idea ill see you guys in 2 years when we are discussing how to dump this contract on some poor team.

Now Redden i think we all saw that debacle coming a mile away to bad glen didnt.

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You sit here and hate on the Drury and Gomez Signings but god everyone thought that those were taking the next step, Gomez was viewed as just entering his prime and would score 90pts with Jagr. Meanwhile getting drury was the next coming of jesus christ himself.

People really have short term memories here. But no go ahead lets lock someone(with a concussion) up to a 5-6 year deal. Yea good idea ill see you guys in 2 years when we are discussing how to dump this contract on some poor team.

Now Redden i think we all saw that debacle coming a mile away to bad glen didnt.
It all depends on the type of deal. Are we talking closer to 30 million over 5 year? Or 35? 4 years? Or 6? There are a lot of discrepancies.

I'll take 32.5 million over 5 years with a partial NTC(12 teams)

6.5 million/year for 5 years

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It all depends on the type of deal. Are we talking closer to 30 million over 5 year? Or 35? 4 years? Or 6? There are a lot of discrepancies.

I'll take 32.5 million over 5 years with a partial NTC(12 teams)

6.5 million/year for 5 years
There is not a chance in hell that gets it done. In fact i think it will take a 7 year deal. WE NEVER get the good deal we always consistantly over pay for talent to come here be it Scott Gomez or Ales Kotalik.

If anyone thinks Richards is going to give us a discount because he's tort's bff your allll mistaken.

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There is not a chance in hell that gets it done. In fact i think it will take a 7 year deal. WE NEVER get the good deal we always consistantly over pay for talent to come here be it Scott Gomez or Ales Kotalik.

If anyone thinks Richards is going to give us a discount because he's tort's bff your allll mistaken.
Ales Kotalik was signed for exactly market value at the time for a guy who averaged 22 goals per 82 games in his career. He was remarkably consistent for 6 seasons. And I think UFAs with those stats have seen their market value drop by $500k at the most. People saying we overpaid Kotalik, at least at the time, completely misread the market.

And Richards is way more concerned about location than the few hundred thousand to $1m that his salary might vary from one place to the other. It's not like he's going to have a ton of legitimate suitors anyway: see Ilya Kovalchuk. Most teams either can't afford his salary or can't afford his cap hit.

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So our deadline moves are McCabe and Wolski? I can live with that. What I can't live with is continued struggles with scoring and constant dump and chase hockey b/c of lack of skills.

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