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02-28-2011, 06:46 PM
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At what point do you begin trying to build a team?

When the team is performing and you have almost all pieces in place, with just a couple minor additions like a second pair defenseman and a second line forward needed to win the Cup.

We are nowhere near that. We are a borderline playoff team that will get eliminated in either 5 or 6 games in the first round.

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02-28-2011, 07:21 PM
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We're past stockpiling picks and prospects.

It's time to make the moves to become a contender.

teams like Edmonton and the Islanders stockpile picks and prospects.
Don't look now, but both of those teams might be better than the Rangers as early as next season.

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02-28-2011, 07:26 PM
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omg guyz that star we'd select in the 7th round next season is way more important than giving our current prospect's some help with a depth center!!


It's amazing how the collective dumb of internet fans raises the face-palm ceiling with every thread.

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02-28-2011, 07:31 PM
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So Toronto paid the Rangers to take Mitchell? That doesnt make too much sense....

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02-28-2011, 07:31 PM
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http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/75911 him and prust fought many years ago


and him and Ryan Garlock fought too. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/11941


http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/53903 seems to be a physical player.

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Lundqvist was a 7th round pick....

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He is going straight to the whale and for anyone who thinks we got a 7th pick with him we didn't

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=554606

"New York Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather announced today that the club has acquired forward John Mitchell from the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for a seventh round draft pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft."

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02-28-2011, 08:14 PM
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Lundqvist was a 7th round pick....
if people knew how good lundy would be he wouldn't have been picked in the 7th round.

the 7th round pick is meaningless - for every player taken in that round there are at least 2 just as good players out there who don't get drafted. Just look at the old drafts that went 10, 11 rounds. There's hardly any difference in NHL games played by 7th-10th rounders. It's no big deal, and if there's a player out there you really want .... you dont' wait until round 7 to take him.

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02-28-2011, 08:24 PM
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Not much gained not much lost..

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02-28-2011, 09:50 PM
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Don't look now, but both of those teams might be better than the Rangers as early as next season.
No. They wont.

Especially not the islanders. They will not have anything remotely resembling an NHL blueline. And their goaltending situation is a mess. It will likely be years until both situations are resolved.

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02-28-2011, 09:53 PM
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I would have accepted an 8th round pick.

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Mitchell was in and out (mostly out) of Toronto's lineup so much it's hard to get a read on him.
That said, he can skate decently, and has a decent shot.
I think injuries were a bit of a problem for him. I wonder if that affected his game and the way he played when he got back on the ice.

No matter where he fits, he has a much better chance in NYR's organization than he did with the Leafs. It just didn't work out for him there, for whatever reason.

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03-01-2011, 12:20 AM
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Mitchell has all the tools and no brain to put it all together.

He's got a good set of wheels, good at winning faceoffs, backchecks hard. You'll never question his work ethic.

Just has no hockey sense whatsoever.

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This was a no-brainer trade. Whalepack lack a top-line center with Kennedy getting shipped out. We got one.

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Great, so Slats just wasted #3 and #7. Just the opposite of what he was supposed to do: stockpile picks and prospects.

How does Sather explain to Gaborik, Lundqvist, Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal and co that they are selling when the team is sitting in 7th spot in East with a 3 point cushion on #8 seed despite suffering numerous injuries throughout the season?

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How does Sather explain to Gaborik, Lundqvist, Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal and co that they are selling when the team is sitting in 7th spot in East with a 3 point cushion on #8 seed despite suffering numerous injuries throughout the season?
selling what?

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03-01-2011, 01:51 AM
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selling what?

The other poster said we should be stock pilling prospects or picks. To me that means selling guys like Prospal, Eminger, Gilroy and Christensen and getting something in return for them.

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03-01-2011, 01:55 AM
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This was a no-brainer trade. Whalepack lack a top-line center with Kennedy getting shipped out. We got one.
I really doubt they got him for Wolfpack. Likely they want a solid cheap 4th line center and add more depth in case of injuries.

Drury likely not coming back this season.

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03-01-2011, 02:03 AM
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No. They wont.

Especially not the islanders. They will not have anything remotely resembling an NHL blueline. And their goaltending situation is a mess. It will likely be years until both situations are resolved.
Islanders blueline - Streit, McCdonald and Hamonic. Those 3 guys will be with the isles for a long time. Hamonic looks like he's going to be a stud, McCondald looks like he will be a capable top pairing guy and we all know Streit.

The islanders actually have a couple good young goaltenders as well. They dealt with injuries this season but i think Poulin will be a good nhl netminder when he's healthy. The only problem with that situation is people don't realize what they have because when they hear the words goalie and islanders, they instantly think of dipietro.

Look, i hate the islanders as much as the next guy, but you're only fooling yourself if you think its going to be years until they make the playoffs. They have a really good young core, guys i would LOVE to have on the rangers.

Taveres
Okposo
Grabner
Nielsen
Moulson
Bailey
Hamonic
McDonald
Streit

For all the issues they deal with in not being able to attract free agents, they have actually done a decent job building a squad that imo, would have been a lot better this year had they not been so hindered by injuries. The rock on their blueline still hasn't played a game this season. That says a lot.

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03-01-2011, 02:29 AM
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I really doubt they got him for Wolfpack. Likely they want a solid cheap 4th line center and add more depth in case of injuries.

Drury likely not coming back this season.
Mitchell must pass through re-entry waivers. Trust me, he's for the Whalepack.

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03-01-2011, 03:24 AM
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Islanders blueline - Streit, McCdonald and Hamonic. Those 3 guys will be with the isles for a long time. Hamonic looks like he's going to be a stud, McCondald looks like he will be a capable top pairing guy and we all know Streit.

The islanders actually have a couple good young goaltenders as well. They dealt with injuries this season but i think Poulin will be a good nhl netminder when he's healthy. The only problem with that situation is people don't realize what they have because when they hear the words goalie and islanders, they instantly think of dipietro.

Look, i hate the islanders as much as the next guy, but you're only fooling yourself if you think its going to be years until they make the playoffs. They have a really good young core, guys i would LOVE to have on the rangers.

Taveres
Okposo
Grabner
Nielsen
Moulson
Bailey
Hamonic
McDonald
Streit

For all the issues they deal with in not being able to attract free agents, they have actually done a decent job building a squad that imo, would have been a lot better this year had they not been so hindered by injuries. The rock on their blueline still hasn't played a game this season. That says a lot.
Laying out a bunch of players and saying it's a good enough core to make real pushes in the playoffs doesn't mean anything. You say you'd like to have them on the NYR, but let's compare the roles they fill and see if that's true:

Would you prefer:

I'll give you Tavares, but not if we add Richards in the offseason.
Okposo over Callahan for top 6 RW?
Grabner over Dubinsky for top 6 LW?
Nielsen over Stepan for 2c?
Moulson over Wolski for middle 4 winger?
Bailey over Anisimov for 3c?
Hamonic over Staal for 1LD?
Macdonald over Girardi for 1 RD?
Streit over McDonagh/MDZ/Sauer for any roster spot D?

out of ALL of those the only one that's even close might be Moulson for Wolski, and there skill set is so similar, just a massive difference in ice-time. So we not only have them beat in every roster spot you seem to covet, but we have an all world, top 5 NHL goalie, that's won on an International level. Regularly in the conversation for Vezina consideration every year he's played pro hockey in North America.

not to mention an oft injured sniper that when on is a top 5 NHL RW, and top 10 NHL offensive presence.

and even with those two massive tools the NYI don't have any answer for at all, we still struggle to for one of the bottom 3 playoff positions, and don't have much hope for making a ton of noise in the playoffs. And yet you see the NYI as a future powerhouse? They're building blocks are lining up to be inferior to our own, and they lack the two hardest parts of the puzzle to lockdown, even generationally.

You're drinking prospect potential kool-aid


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03-01-2011, 06:54 AM
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How can you ***** about "wasting" a 7th round pick?

Once you get that deep in the draft there's probably better players undrafted that you can just sign without any kind of pick if you're so inclined. And if someone's so important they're not going to be drafted in the 7th round. Yeah, every once in a while someone drafted really late turns out to be great, but that's a pure gamble. You probably get the same odds by signing some of the undrafted players left over after the 7th round.

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This was a no-brainer trade. Whalepack lack a top-line center with Kennedy getting shipped out. We got one.
Agree. You want to develop Grachev? Give him a center that he can play with and you know DEVELOP....

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03-01-2011, 07:25 AM
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Mitchell has 4 goals and 4 assists in 8 career games against the Rangers, including a couple of backbreakers.

This is a good trade. He's better than Newbury and Weise and Kolarik and whatever mid-20's shrubs we have in Hartford.

Anybody who remembers the 1997 playoffs can recall some of the scrubs we had the play because of injuries (Dallas Eakins, where art thou?)

In one season, Sather added Wolski, McCabe and Mitchell for Rosie, Kennedy, a 3rd and a 7th

Stop complaining.

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