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03-01-2011, 08:39 AM
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I wonder if Tostito is the end replacement for CarBomb.

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03-01-2011, 08:45 AM
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Would much rather Wellwood @ 550k than Carcillo @ 1.1 million next year on the 4th line
Wellwood is not a player suited for the 4th line...

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03-01-2011, 08:53 AM
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Wellwood is not a player suited for the 4th line...
Yes he is. He isn't big, but he works hard and is good defensively. Either way I would rather anyone at 550k than Carcillo at 1.1 million with our cap crunch coming this year.

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Wellwood is not a player suited for the 4th line...
Well, that's a problem given that his NHL potential is a bottom 6 player...

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03-01-2011, 11:49 AM
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I think many folks forget about team chemistry, and i think Carbomb is an important part of the Flyers team chemistry.He has a role to play and is respected by his mates for doing his job which at times takes a lot of courage.He is also capable of some pretty nice plays in the offensive zone in clutch situations.....
If one 4th liner is that important to a team's success, then this team is not as good as we all think it is. Not sure where you came up with these clutch plays either, his puck skills is what makes him a 4th liner. Don't give me the OT goal vs. the Devils, either.

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whats wrong with having guys on the 4th line who can play and not look completely worthless. It works for some teams(see Detroit). I dont know why we have to always seem to dress 1 or 2 idiots on the 4th line every night. its like its a ******* requirement in Philadelphia.

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whats wrong with having guys on the 4th line who can play and not look completely worthless. It works for some teams(see Detroit). I dont know why we have to always seem to dress 1 or 2 idiots on the 4th line every night. its like its a ******* requirement in Philadelphia.
yeah exactly. Wellwood could probably be a guy like Helm, Eaves or Miller who use big speed and defensive play on a 4th line.

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03-01-2011, 01:02 PM
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I think people are really overrating Wellwood. He looked good in his FOUR games he played in the NHL. Not great, but good. And those games were against lousy teams. Meanwhile, Wellwood isn't even in the top five in points in the AHL. Until he really shows otherwise, I don't think he is going to pan out to be anything more than a third liner.

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03-01-2011, 01:07 PM
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I think people are really overrating Wellwood. He looked good in his FOUR games he played in the NHL. Not great, but good. And those games were against lousy teams. Meanwhile, Wellwood isn't even in the top five in points in the AHL. Until he really shows otherwise, I don't think he is going to pan out to be anything more than a third liner.
He isn't going to be anything more than a 3rd liner... almost for sure. Moreover, no one really expects him to be more than that.

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I think people are really overrating Wellwood. He looked good in his FOUR games he played in the NHL. Not great, but good. And those games were against lousy teams. Meanwhile, Wellwood isn't even in the top five in points in the AHL. Until he really shows otherwise, I don't think he is going to pan out to be anything more than a third liner.
I am saying he could play on the 4th line....

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03-01-2011, 01:18 PM
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I can see him playing 3rd line, 30 or so points, at times called up to 2nd line and hit a high of 40. His speed and aggressiveness along with the skill and workrate will help him.

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I can see him playing 3rd line, 30 or so points, at times called up to 2nd line and hit a high of 40. His speed and aggressiveness along with the skill and workrate will help him.
Yeah, a 3-2 tweener is probably his best case scenario... and he certainly looks like he'll contribute a bit offensively. However, folks suggesting that he doesn't fit a 4th line role need a bit of a reality check... if he can't play that role, getting to the NHL is going to be a bit tough for him, I think.

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I am saying he could play on the 4th line....
that is all I am saying. play guys that can use their speed and defensive abilities on the 4th line. guys that can get the puck deep and drive opponents crazy. you dont have to have guys looking to put people thru the boards and goons on the 4th line to be effective. I think Wellwood could be an effective 4th liner, he could chip in with a few goals too. But no instead we have to dress 2 or 3 black holes offensively who bring little if anything to the table that can help a team win a Cup.

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I am saying he could play on the 4th line....
I wasn't necessarily talking to you in particular. Just in general. Before the deadline some people were posting about trading certain players and using Wellwood on the third or fourth line or as a the 13th forward which at this point, I would not do.

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I wasn't necessarily talking to you in particular. Just in general. Before the deadline some people were posting about trading certain players and using Wellwood on the third or fourth line or as a the 13th forward which at this point, I would not do.
I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Wellwood in the lineup in the playoffs over a guy like Shelley or Zherdev. For a limited 4th line role, I don't think he's far off from being useful at the NHL level.

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The thing is about the Phantoms, the amount of points that separate the #1 in points guys Hamel/Gustafsson and Wellwood at 7 is 12 points. difference is though, Wellwood is the 2nd youngest Phantom on a really young Phantom team (Rinaldo is the youngest by 3 months). Wellwood turns 21 in 5 days.

I can also see him playing some 4th line time in playoffs.

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I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Wellwood in the lineup in the playoffs over a guy like Shelley or Zherdev. For a limited 4th line role, I don't think he's far off from being useful at the NHL level.
That very well might be the case, but hopefully it doesn't get to that point because I'd even trust Shelley over an unproven guy. If he gets in some more games and can keep up the play he had for the short time he was here earlier, it may be a different case (for me anyway).

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That very well might be the case, but hopefully it doesn't get to that point because I'd even trust Shelley over an unproven guy. If he gets in some more games and can keep up the play he had for the short time he was here earlier, it may be a different case (for me anyway).
Wow... I wouldnt go that far.... Some are overrating Wellwood, but your really underestimating him...by alot especially with the Shelly comment.

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03-01-2011, 04:51 PM
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That very well might be the case, but hopefully it doesn't get to that point because I'd even trust Shelley over an unproven guy. If he gets in some more games and can keep up the play he had for the short time he was here earlier, it may be a different case (for me anyway).
Shelley sucks at actually playing hockey. If you remove fighting, and focus on skating, passing, etc. almost every guy on the Phantoms is better than Shelley in those areas. Shelley plays 6 minutes a game now, that will fall come playoff time in tight games.

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Shelley sucks at actually playing hockey. If you remove fighting, and focus on skating, passing, etc. almost every guy on the Phantoms is better than Shelley in those areas. Shelley plays 6 minutes a game now, that will fall come playoff time in tight games.
He is not worse than every guy on the Phantoms. Don't get me wrong, he sucks at hockey, but I'd rather have him out there over Wellwood at this point in time. He can block shots and intimidate people. It may not be much, but I'd rather have that than 4:00 minutes a game than a guy who has seen 30 minutes or so total ice time in his NHL career. Like I said though, if he gets in some more games and shows he can hang, that is a different story. TBH, I'd like to see Z play well enough to stick around and put Nodl on the 4th line (as I assume many of you feel the same too).

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He is not worse than every guy on the Phantoms. Don't get me wrong, he sucks at hockey, but I'd rather have him out there over Wellwood at this point in time. He can block shots and intimidate people. It may not be much, but I'd rather have that than 4:00 minutes a game than a guy who has seen 30 minutes or so total ice time in his NHL career. Like I said though, if he gets in some more games and shows he can hang, that is a different story. TBH, I'd like to see Z play well enough to stick around and put Nodl on the 4th line (as I assume many of you feel the same too).

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I'm over Z, the smirking limo situation told me all I needed to know about that d-bag.

Wellwood is a MUCH better hockey player than Jody Shelley, I don't know what to tell you. There isn't one facet of the sport of hockey outside of fighting (and hitting) that Wellwood isn't better than Shelley at. Come playoff time, that type of stuff is far more valuable than Shelley's "intimidation" factor.

And, yes, the majority of the Phantoms are similar on that front. If Jody Shelley wasn't a big dude willing to fight, he wouldn't even sniff the NHL.


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I think people are really overrating Wellwood. He looked good in his FOUR games he played in the NHL. Not great, but good. And those games were against lousy teams. Meanwhile, Wellwood isn't even in the top five in points in the AHL. Until he really shows otherwise, I don't think he is going to pan out to be anything more than a third liner.
Top 5 in points in the AHL? Why does that matter? The current Top 10 is a who's who of guys who couldn't stick it in the NHL, other than maybe Jerome Samson who is a rookie call up. The top 5 are well beyond a point-per-game.


AHL points don't always have a lot to do with it, especially if we're talking potential 3rd line players. Some players are better NHL players than AHL, especially if we're talking about third line players and defensive specialists. Blair Betts had 49 points in his best full AHL season, of which there was only one other.

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that is all I am saying. play guys that can use their speed and defensive abilities on the 4th line. guys that can get the puck deep and drive opponents crazy. you dont have to have guys looking to put people thru the boards and goons on the 4th line to be effective. I think Wellwood could be an effective 4th liner, he could chip in with a few goals too. But no instead we have to dress 2 or 3 black holes offensively who bring little if anything to the table that can help a team win a Cup.
You mean like Powe and Betts? Wellwood won't be much better then either of those guys. Maybe he'll pot a few more goals. I would rather see him then Powe in another year.
What's wrong with have a well rounded team? The top 9 is loaded with smaller, very talented skill players so why not have one or two players that can lay the lumber on people and maybe protect their skill players? Besides they put fannies in the seats.

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I've over Z, the smirking limo situation told me all I needed to know about that d-bag.

Wellwood is a MUCH better hockey player than Jody Shelley, I don't know what to tell you. There isn't one facet of the sport of hockey outside of fighting (and hitting) that Wellwood isn't better than Shelley at. Come playoff time, that type of stuff is far more valuable than Shelley's "intimidation" factor.

And, yes, the majority of the Phantoms are similar on that front. If Jody Shelley wasn't a big dude willing to fight, he wouldn't even sniff the NHL.
Duh?!

Seriously, your point is right and don't think anyone would argue that Wellwood would be a better fit come playoff time if injuries hit then Shelley.

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I just do not think that carbomb will be back next year. But then again it would not surprise me if was. There is only going to be two or three openings at the forward position going into camp next year.

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