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03-02-2011, 03:20 PM
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Bernier starts against Phoenix...

Per Hammond.

Terry Murray said the choice to start Bernier had “just about everything to do with the last game,” in which Jonathan Quick allowed six goals.

Big game, and Bernier gets the nod. Interesting, wasn't expecting it.

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Quick has been lousy vs the Coyotes this season. I don't mind this move by TM.

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It's the right call. Quick looked bad last game, and he tends to be subpar against the Coyotes. The last few times TM has played Bernier against teams that we tend to be unlucky/play bad against (even dating back to last season), we play well and have a better shot at winning.

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Lets just go with it.

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I'm not a fan of this decision. Quick responds well after bad games. The only other time he was pulled this season (during a 6-4 loss to Phoenix) he followed that up with a 1-0 loss vs. San Jose.

Sandwiched in between those two games was the 7-4 abomination vs. Philadelphia ... where Bernier was pulled.

"The Kings made it through 39 regular-season games, dating to last season, without pulling their starting goaltender from the game. It has now happened twice in the last two games. First, Jonathan Quick was pulled in the second period of Wednesday’s loss to Phoenix, after he allowed six goals on 24 shots. Then, Jonathan Bernier was pulled in the second period of Thursday’s loss to Philadelphia, after he allowed six goals on 22 shots."

It's a division game in March. Quick is a big game goalie. Bernier's a wild card.

Hopefully it's the right move.

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Quick is a big game goalie.
... Absolutely. When you look at his track record in the big games, it's pretty obvious that he rises to the occasion and



Oh wait. What?

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Can we go through this thread with out bashing either goalie? They've both had good and bad moments this year.

I could see the logic in starting either one, so I don't have a problem with this decision. Quick is still clearly the number 1 though.

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... Absolutely. When you look at his track record in the big games, it's pretty obvious that he rises to the occasion and



Oh wait. What?
Quick sucked in the playoffs but I don't blame him entirely.
The whole team in front of him could have been better.

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Quick is still clearly the number 1 though.
... That isn't in question at all. He'll likely start against Vancouver, and I hope he does well.

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Quick sucked in the playoffs but I don't blame him entirely.
... Neither do I. The notion of Quick being some sort of "big game goalie" is more than a bit ridiculous and premature, though. He has more NHL games under his belt than Bernier, but let's not pretend he isn't still trying to establish himself as a goalie who's able to last in this league.

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Well it's exactly that kind of playoff performance we want to avoid. Getting Bernier some starts helps if indeed Quick was fatigued near the end of last season. I think Quick respons well to competition so having Bernier there to remind him to play well is good.

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I don't see any problem with Quick getting more rest and JB getting more experience this time of year.

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... Neither do I. The notion of Quick being some sort of "big game goalie" is more than a bit ridiculous and premature, though. He has more NHL games under his belt than Bernier, but let's not pretend he isn't still trying to establish himself as a goalie who's able to last in this league.
I was talking to my friend Bob Saccomanno the other day. Bob thinks Quick is the furthest thing from a big game goalie and that he can't handle the pressure.

I contend that he is young and was exhausted last season


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Good move by Murray, Quick's play has been pretty subpar the last couple of games. I think it's wise to start Bernier given Quick's recent performances and his track record against PHX.

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I think it's the right time for a little bit of "you win - you're in" to give Quick a bit of a rest, and to add just a little tiny bit of extra pressure to come up with a W. There are no back-to-backs this month, so the approach that's been used for the most part this season (Bernier in for the most part only in back-to-back situations) needs to be altered for the time being. You have to give Bernier a few games to keep him sharp, and to avoid what happened late last season with Quick.

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It's the right move to play Bernier. Just hope it doesn't go to a shootout!

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Quick sucked in the playoffs but I don't blame him entirely.
The whole team in front of him could have been better.
Well I give Vancouver some of the credit its not like their a powderpuff.

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Well I give Vancouver some of the credit its not like their a powderpuff.
True

But I look back to

Game 1- that was a winnable game

Game 4- they let a lead slip in the third period

Game 6- Rinse repeat for game 4

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Crap were tough on Quick. First goal was soft but there were bad bounces and when the Kings got behind, the play was to wide open vs a powerhouse like Detroit. We played Detroit tempo and your usually going to lose playing that way.

Control and boring Hockey beats Detroit not up tempo. This may be the reason teams play well in Detroit because they play safe whereas you get home and want to put on a show for the home crowd and fall right into Detroit' game.

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I think it's the right time for a little bit of "you win - you're in" to give Quick a bit of a rest, and to add just a little tiny bit of extra pressure to come up with a W. There are no back-to-backs this month, so the approach that's been used for the most part this season (Bernier in for the most part only in back-to-back situations) needs to be altered for the time being. You have to give Bernier a few games to keep him sharp, and to avoid what happened late last season with Quick.
So long as they win... it's all good. Quick does need the rest sometime this month.

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It's the right move to play Bernier. Just hope it doesn't go to a shootout!
If it goes to a shootout, I think Bernier will be more aggressive. He HAS to be. But it's time for Bernier to start again - he needs to work and Quick needs the rest.

Lose one reg game and slip from 5th to 8th ?!?!?! WTH?


Hate to say it, but Thur vs PHX is (almost) a must-win game. (in regulation!)

And Since I"ll be there Sat. vs. VAN, that is definitely a must-win game.

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For Bernier's sake, I hope it doesn't go to a shootout.

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I think the Phoenix game will be as close to a playoff game as you can get, and probably can expect that type of intensity for the rest of the Divisional games. I thought Quick would continue to start given his ability to bounce back, but two games in a row where he looked off. The third period of the avalanche game, he absolutely was off and it carried over into the Red Wings game.

Quick will work in practice and look at the tape with Ranford and Hextall. Get refocused and press the reset button. We'll need both goalies to come through.

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