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03-02-2011, 07:47 PM
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Who exactly is protecting the smallest and oldest team, the Detroit Red Wings? Nice logic there.
You mean the team that suffered all the injuries last year and went nowhere?

Cant see how that is helping your cause.

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03-02-2011, 07:49 PM
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Well, it seems minor, and it wasn't even the same shoulder. If it was the same shoulder, I would be more concerned because even a minor thing is scary for surgically repaired areas, but it's a minor thing to the opposite shoulder, so I'm hoping he will be fine.

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03-02-2011, 08:00 PM
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We need a Healthy Hemsky. Or else our right wings looks like crap. We have enough problems on this team let's not create another one. We could move Penner because our Left wing is still respectable with MPS and Hall. Take Hemsky of the RW and you got Ebs and Omark. Good luck with that.

You know why teams like the Islanders are always crap?? Because they make moronic trades, digging themselves into bigger holes year after year.

Right now we need centers and D. Remove Hemsky and you need RWers. Let's not whine about the team sucking and then complain when the team doesn't trade the best player on the team for a package of garbage.

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At this point in his career, I swear Hemsky's shoulder must be held together with duct tape and prayer.

If he goes down again, this really will turn into another Death March to close out the season.
I don't think this injury is to the same shoulder as the one that he had surgery on before though.

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Their powerplay.
Their powerplay protects their players on the ice from goons? A powerplay doesn't project mystical force fields around players, especially in a fast, competitive game of ice hockey.

Not even to mention the fact the DET PP is a staggering 17th in the league this year.

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03-02-2011, 08:02 PM
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You mean the team that suffered all the injuries last year and went nowhere?

Cant see how that is helping your cause.
Oh totally, you're right, Detroit has barely had ANY success since rolling with such a small, old group.

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03-02-2011, 08:04 PM
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One of the worst pp's in the league for years vs one of the best. Detroit has also had their share of injuries. Hey if you are happy with letting other teams bash the crap out of our skilled players constantly more power to you. I'm not and oilers shouldn't.
Where is this idea that other teams are bashing the crap out of the Oilers? Have you seen Cogliano's lip? Why has he had such a run of good health?

People that think team makeup has a large effect on injury numbers need to collect some proof, because I've never seen a causal link between team size, hits, or even simple observation and man games lost to injury.

Players on the other hand...

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03-02-2011, 08:29 PM
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Where is this idea that other teams are bashing the crap out of the Oilers? Have you seen Cogliano's lip? Why has he had such a run of good health?

People that think team makeup has a large effect on injury numbers need to collect some proof, because I've never seen a causal link between team size, hits, or even simple observation and man games lost to injury.

Players on the other hand...
Almost all of Hemksy injuries have come as a result of getting pasted. Gagner has been pasted two or three times this year. Eberle about 3 times once resulting in a long term injury. Horcoff. Hall has been cracked a couple of times, luckily he has avoided injury so far. Cogliano is one of the iron men of this league.

Oh, and as far as Detroit is concerned.

Datsyuk: 70, 64, 75, 75 game seasons, injured again this year.
Fransen: 69, 72, 72, 27 game seasons, injured again this year.
Holmstrom: 72,73,69,74,67,59,53,68 games
Zetterburg: 61,77,63,75,77,74 games

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03-02-2011, 08:38 PM
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Funny that it's a shoulder injury. Looked like blum had hit him in the upper leg. Must have been contact with the ice that hurt him.
They even said on the broadcast that it looked like knee on knee. WONDERS.

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Every team has injuries to important players. Look at Boston, they're supposed to be this tough team yet how come one of their best players keeps getting run. If guys were intimidated by the Bruins then they wouldn't be taking runs at Savard yet it hasn't stopped them from doing so.

Vancouver is also supposed to be a tough team, they've had tons of injuries especially on D.

Stuff happens and no 4th line plug is going to stop it from happening.

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I thought the hip looked like a hip check to the mid-section. The impact from him falling must've done the damage because I can't see the initial impact causing any shoulder concerns. He got caught awkwardly and stopped instantly in his tracks...

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This. Managing what to do with Hemksy from the trade deadline to the beginning of next season will be Steve's defining moment.

Unfortunately, I think he'll decide to sign him long term to an overpriced contract.
I don't know if anyone caught Dan Tencer on the Drew Remenda sports show yesterday, but Tencer went on record saying that he really doesn't believe that hemsky will resign with the Oilers. Remenda asked the question if Hemsky was actually on the block and Tencer hesitated, but then said yes. He reported that Nashville and not LA was the team that was trying the hardest to get Hemsky but unlike Penner, Tambo would not accept anything but an overpayment at this point for Hemsky, and David Poile balked in the negotiations.

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Almost all of Hemksy injuries have come as a result of getting pasted. Gagner has been pasted two or three times this year. Eberle about 3 times once resulting in a long term injury. Horcoff. Hall has been cracked a couple of times, luckily he has avoided injury so far. Cogliano is one of the iron men of this league.
Not true, he just fell awkwardly and twisted his ankle, The guy who hit him sort of missed.

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03-02-2011, 09:09 PM
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You mean the team that suffered all the injuries last year and went nowhere?

Cant see how that is helping your cause.
no he means the same team that won the cup the year before, great argument though

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Injury prone? Who wouldn't be with all the abuse the guy gets... Seriously, This team needs to get mean and start targeting opposing stars. Let the whole league know that if anyone touches our players, we will target their stars. And if that doesn't stop them, that's when Smack goes head hunting.

Teams are starting to target our young players now. It's only a matter of time before one or more of them gets a serious injury.

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03-02-2011, 09:14 PM
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Almost all of Hemksy injuries have come as a result of getting pasted. Gagner has been pasted two or three times this year. Eberle about 3 times once resulting in a long term injury. Horcoff. Hall has been cracked a couple of times, luckily he has avoided injury so far. Cogliano is one of the iron men of this league.

Oh, and as far as Detroit is concerned.

Datsyuk: 70, 64, 75, 75 game seasons, injured again this year.
Fransen: 69, 72, 72, 27 game seasons, injured again this year.
Holmstrom: 72,73,69,74,67,59,53,68 games
Zetterburg: 61,77,63,75,77,74 games
I see a lot of 70+ seasons in there. Looks a lot better then putting Horcoff, Souray, Hemsky in there doesn't it?

Players are injury prone. Team makeups are not. You want less injuries? Get tougher players. And by tough I mean injury resistant.

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03-02-2011, 09:21 PM
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Oh totally, you're right, Detroit has barely had ANY success since rolling with such a small, old group.
Theyve won a grand total of ONE cup with their collection of euros.

Better luck next time spanky.

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They even said on the broadcast that it looked like knee on knee. WONDERS.
Translation: the damn team keeps winning games it shouldn't be winning.

Trade Penner for no immediate returns - check

Start Gerber - check

Screw around like crazy with the lines -check

Call up Petiot and give him hard minutes -check

Play a lousy game and get 13 shots in the first 2 periods -check


and they still end up beating Nashville in the Shootout..


Now on cue another Hemsky injury.


Oh noes, Columbus Blue Jackets coming to town bearing free points..


Omark with the hat trick. Better send him down quick..

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Translation: the damn team keeps winning games it shouldn't be winning.

Trade Penner for no immediate returns - check

Start Gerber - check

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You do realize he's 3-0 in an Oilers uni right?

He was very good last night.

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If he continues getting hurt I cannot fathom the Oilers locking him up long term. The last thing that we need is to lock him up long term and then to see the injuries really affect his production ala Horcoff. If he is fine I'd still push to trade him at the draft, maybe he could land us TO's 1st round pick via Boston? He puts himself in bad spots all the time and the older he gets the more it will take a toll on his body. Hemsky at 32 will probably be a walking/talking band-aid.

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Even the Penner return will look huge compared to what we end up with for Hemsky. it will be either nothing, peanuts or a overpaid contract.
The last thing that we need is to get a Simon Gagne type of a return for Hemsky.

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Theyve won a grand total of ONE cup with their collection of euros.

Better luck next time spanky.
Lol as compared to who else post-lockout who has more than one? Have you lost your damn mind?

2009-10 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 44 24 14 102 .622 0.34 0.09 2nd Lost NHL Conference Semi-Finals M. Babcock (44-24)
2008-09 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 51 21 10 112 .683 0.78 0.03 1st Lost Stanley Cup Finals M. Babcock (51-21)
2007-08 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 54 21 7 115 .701 1.08 0.08 1st Won Stanley Cup Finals M. Babcock (54-21)
2006-07 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 50 19 13 113 .689 0.82 0.14 1st Lost NHL Conference Finals M. Babcock (50-19)
2005-06 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 58 16 8 124 .756 0.92 -0.14 1st Lost NHL Conference Quarter-Finals M. Babcock (58-16)

You go find me a more successful post lockout team and then get back to me.

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You do realize he's 3-0 in an Oilers uni right?

He was very good last night.
I do realize the record and no he wasn't very good. He was playing a team with capguns that can't buy a goal that will miss the playoffs because of it.

Gerber looked nervous and shaky at times and got saved by a couple of goalposts.

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Every team has injuries to important players. Look at Boston, they're supposed to be this tough team yet how come one of their best players keeps getting run. If guys were intimidated by the Bruins then they wouldn't be taking runs at Savard yet it hasn't stopped them from doing so.

Vancouver is also supposed to be a tough team, they've had tons of injuries especially on D.

Stuff happens and no 4th line plug is going to stop it from happening.
I'm sure that is just how MacT and Renney view. "Stuff happens." Meanwhile some team that constantly kicks our ass (Dallas, Vancouver) runs amuck.

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