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02-10-2011, 06:46 AM
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I totally agree with this thread, the kid has been great and shows maturity beyond his years.

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If he has a rough patch next year he'll get the same ****ing retarded treatment Del Zotto now gets from many posters on here.

Its sickening.
That's the truth, can u imagine if mcd and sauer both hit the sophomore wall hard, judging by the DZ treatment I don't even want to see what people are going to be doing nd saying

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That's the truth, can u imagine if mcd and sauer both hit the sophomore wall hard, judging by the DZ treatment I don't even want to see what people are going to be doing nd saying
I wouldn't worry about McD hitting a sophomore slump. Remember, the kid has played college etc, he's not some 19 year old rookie whos just getting a test of everything. Sauer also is not some 19 year old. He's been through the system and seen the ups and downs already. I think those two hitting a sophomore slump are the farthest from my worries right now.

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I wouldn't worry about McD hitting a sophomore slump. Remember, the kid has played college etc, he's not some 19 year old rookie whos just getting a test of everything. Sauer also is not some 19 year old. He's been through the system and seen the ups and downs already. I think those two hitting a sophomore slump are the farthest from my worries right now.
I wouldn't be worried about sauer, but mcd I would more than I was about mdz, mcdonagh played college hockey which is significantly less games than del zotto played in the ohl; that's physically. Mentally i believe mcd is much more mature than del zotto and mentally I don't think he'll hit much of a slump.

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I wouldn't be worried about sauer, but mcd I would more than I was about mdz, mcdonagh played college hockey which is significantly less games than del zotto played in the ohl; that's physically. Mentally i believe mcd is much more mature than del zotto and mentally I don't think he'll hit much of a slump.
McD is much less likely to hit a slump than Del Zotto was. Junior guys tend to have the problem if they come in at a young age. College guys do not. One of the benefits of college players.

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Pens fan here just wondering in McDonagh has still looked really good for you guy? He looked real solid in the game against us, I thought. Where do you guys see him ending up, 1st pairing, 2nd pairing?

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Pens fan here just wondering in McDonagh has still looked really good for you guy? He looked real solid in the game against us, I thought. Where do you guys see him ending up, 1st pairing, 2nd pairing?
Probably a reliable #4 guy

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Pens fan here just wondering in McDonagh has still looked really good for you guy? He looked real solid in the game against us, I thought. Where do you guys see him ending up, 1st pairing, 2nd pairing?
Its really difficult to say. He is so young and only about 15 games into his NHL career. His poise, skating and strength are all very good. Its all about if he can take another step with his outlet passing. Right now I would say he will be the Rangers 2nd pairing defensive defenseman of the future(because Staal will be the 1st pairing version) but if he can add some offense, say about 25 points or so a year, he will be pushing himself up into that next level.

Either way, he is going to be a solid, steady defenseman.

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Pens fan here just wondering in McDonagh has still looked really good for you guy? He looked real solid in the game against us, I thought. Where do you guys see him ending up, 1st pairing, 2nd pairing?
2nd pairing until he proves otherwise.

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Pens fan here just wondering in McDonagh has still looked really good for you guy? He looked real solid in the game against us, I thought. Where do you guys see him ending up, 1st pairing, 2nd pairing?
He has been solid pretty much every game he's been here, and he's continually improving. Optimistically, he could turn into a really good #2 defenseman, but more realistically, a Dennis Seidenberg type.

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the other thing about Sauer and McD is that they play solid defensive games. They could total 10 points combined and still play a great game and no one would harshly criticized them for it because they'd have "played their game" MDZ plays for less than 10 points AND plays bad D? Well, not only is he a liability, he's not even "playing his game" by playing/running the PP and putting up the points. Even if he totals 10 points and plays a defensively solid game, people will complain because that isn't the game he's supposed to play - that is to say, that's not the type of game we are expecting him to play. I just want to see him do whatever it is he needs to do to get where we all think he can get to. He's not gonna be Scott Neidermeyer anytime soon, but I think even a Tom Poti performance would be showing positive signs of progress.

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the other thing about Sauer and McD is that they play solid defensive games. They could total 10 points combined and still play a great game and no one would harshly criticized them for it because they'd have "played their game" MDZ plays for less than 10 points AND plays bad D? Well, not only is he a liability, he's not even "playing his game" by playing/running the PP and putting up the points. Even if he totals 10 points and plays a defensively solid game, people will complain because that isn't the game he's supposed to play - that is to say, that's not the type of game we are expecting him to play. I just want to see him do whatever it is he needs to do to get where we all think he can get to. He's not gonna be Scott Neidermeyer anytime soon, but I think even a Tom Poti performance would be showing positive signs of progress.
Tom Poti had 21 points in 38 games for BU when he was 20, Del Z had 37 points for the NYR's at 20.

BTW, Leetch's 2nd season he scored less points, was -18 and broke his ankle two weeks before the playoffs, I've seen rough sophomore seasons

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Tom Poti had 21 points in 38 games for BU when he was 20, Del Z had 37 points for the NYR's at 20.

BTW, Leetch's 2nd season he scored less points, was -18 and broke his ankle two weeks before the playoffs, I've seen rough sophomore seasons
I'm fine with waiting but if they are gonna bench/scratch him or play him under 10 minutes a night, he'd be better off getting top minutes in Hartford. If they actually play him, maybe just get him to concentrate on one part of his game till he can do that well. Whether it be defense or working the PP. I don't doubt that he can be good 4 seasons from now but you want to set him up for success so he can be great 4 seasons from now. I would prefer he develop into Scott Neidermeyer rather than Tom Poti. That may just be me.

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Bump.

Been our best player the past few weeks. He's more impressive each and every game, and his offensive game is starting to show. God, this kid is gonna be a BEAST in his prime.

As good as Sauer has looked this season, McDonagh's first 20-odd games have been more impressive than Sauer's first 20-odd games.

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As good as Sauer has looked this season, McDonagh's first 20-odd games have been more impressive than Sauer's first 20-odd games.
And nearly as impressive as Staal's first 20. I don't think he will be as good as Marc, but he definitely has potential to be a #2.

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That's the truth, can u imagine if mcd and sauer both hit the sophomore wall hard, judging by the DZ treatment I don't even want to see what people are going to be doing nd saying
Zots was a brutal defender last year with good offense. This year the offense disappeared and the defense didn't improve. He may end up a good one but McD is already light years better defensively.

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MDZ = Eminger V2.0 . Former late first round pick PMD that journeyed from team to team in search of his game . today a reliable 6-7 D man with some physicality . Mc Donagh a solid top 4 .... why so optimistic on Mc D and pessimistic on MDZ .... McD posseses a POWERFUL skating stride , MDZ = standing upright waddle stride . MDZ def thinks Offense Ok but at this level unless his skating improves he will be a journey man not the PMD we hoped . His biggish numbers came early and often last yr then disapeared down the stretch after teams got a look at him . It's a shame we cant morph Gilroy 's stride and abitlity to turn and lose a checker into MDZ's passing and better physicality .just my 2 c .

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Saw so many Wisconsin games last season. McDonagh never played like this at Wisconsin. His confidence is at an all-time high. Mike Eaves used McDonagh and Jake Gardiner as a shutdown pair last season. Gordie Clark called McDonagh a "mini-Staal" last June. Rick Carpinello calls him Ryan McMonster. The Rangers(Clark) thought McDonagh could play in the NHL this season.

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While not in on Wellman, the Blueshirts are paying close attention to defenseman Ryan McDonough and center Derek Stepan, two University of Wisconsin undergrads whose rights they own and who may opt out of school either after the season or the semester.
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Well he's definitely playing like a 1st round draft pick. So is Sauer for that matter, who I think was supposed to go in the 1st if not for injuries, right? That's always good.

He's also slowly starting to get more offensive confidence, using his skating to get into good places to create scoring chances fluidly.

Also...don't you think it's a little...maybe a LOT premature, to compare a 20 year old MDZ to Steve Eminger?

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Tom Poti had 21 points in 38 games for BU when he was 20, Del Z had 37 points for the NYR's at 20.

BTW, Leetch's 2nd season he scored less points, was -18 and broke his ankle two weeks before the playoffs, I've seen rough sophomore seasons
Seriously. There's a name for the sophomore slump for a REASON.

No kidding McDonagh is light years ahead of MDZ defensively- McDonagh's one of the best skaters on the team and became a defensive d-man. MDZ has and will always be an average at best d-man with above average offensive capabilities.

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Perhaps and I hope MDZ season is only q confidence issue and he turns out to be a 30-40 point PMD . As the 20 th overall and earlier projected to go even earlier than that (eminger was 12 I thought later ) . McD any offense in say the Girardi range would be a bonus in the future , but the fact that his skating power and ability to play up and close gaps and recover is what makes me optimistic about him . MDZ def thinks offense first which is what we drafted him for but with my two eyes I see only an average skater . Thats fine if he csn make good decisions and first passes , in time this may develop or may not .

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MDZ = Eminger V2.0 . Former late first round pick PMD that journeyed from team to team in search of his game . today a reliable 6-7 D man with some physicality . Mc Donagh a solid top 4 .... why so optimistic on Mc D and pessimistic on MDZ .... McD posseses a POWERFUL skating stride , MDZ = standing upright waddle stride . MDZ def thinks Offense Ok but at this level unless his skating improves he will be a journey man not the PMD we hoped . His biggish numbers came early and often last yr then disapeared down the stretch after teams got a look at him . It's a shame we cant morph Gilroy 's stride and abitlity to turn and lose a checker into MDZ's passing and better physicality .just my 2 c .

Never realised defensmen peak at 20 years old.

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Never realised defensmen peak at 20 years old.
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Pens fan here just wondering in McDonagh has still looked really good for you guy? He looked real solid in the game against us, I thought. Where do you guys see him ending up, 1st pairing, 2nd pairing?
He's gonna be better than Marc Staal. I haven't been this excited about a player since we drafted...um...wow, never. McDonagh is incredible, the only prospect this pathetic system has coughed up that I'm really high on. I love how some people compare him to Del Zotto as if that's even debatable. McDonagh craps all over Del Zotto, who's overrated offensively by the way.

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mcdonagh and sauer make a SOLID 2nd pair to Girardi and Staals first pair

frankly those 2 pairs should be seeing about 45-50 minutes a night, with 10-15 minutes going to our 3rd pair.

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I totally agree with this thread, the kid has been great and shows maturity beyond his years.

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If he has a rough patch next year he'll get the same ****ing retarded treatment Del Zotto now gets from many posters on here.

Its sickening.
But McDonagh has had a much, much better rookie year than Del Zotto did. I know it's hard to compare because they're different players, but people talk about Del Zotto's rookie year as if he put up 80 points. He was ok.

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