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03-02-2011, 09:50 PM
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Not true, he just fell awkwardly and twisted his ankle, The guy who hit him sort of missed.
Nonsense, the guy rubbed him out against the boards and he hurt his ankle. Start smashing some of these guys and your skill players get more room and less injury. I'd love to see what the Canucks do when teams take runs at the twins.

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I see a lot of 70+ seasons in there. Looks a lot better then putting Horcoff, Souray, Hemsky in there doesn't it?

Players are injury prone. Team makeups are not. You want less injuries? Get tougher players. And by tough I mean injury resistant.
70+ seasons are good enough, when that is the rule rather the exception? Getting tougher players means nothing if the tough players do nothing to help out the skilled players.

The Oilers are wasting an opportunity to let teams know now not to F with us. When you are dead last and going no where a 5 minute major or a bit of a suspension doesn't hurt. When we start contending and points mean something it will be too late.

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I do realize the record and no he wasn't very good. He was playing a team with capguns that can't buy a goal that will miss the playoffs because of it.

Gerber looked nervous and shaky at times and got saved by a couple of goalposts.
He was actually very good, and as a goaltender I can tell you that he was very good. He may have a had a few shaky moments, but your first start in the league in quite a while, in front of the home town crowd will do that to you. There are two things that matter for a goaltender, wins and confidence, and Gerber has both going for him right now. I was not a big fan of his signing with this team, but there is no doubt....NONE....that Gerber was very good last night.

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This. Managing what to do with Hemksy from the trade deadline to the beginning of next season will be Steve's defining moment.

Unfortunately, I think he'll decide to sign him long term to an overpriced contract.
Or his injuries mean we can sign him for cheap, and he stays healthy a couple seasons and we get the best bargain contract in the NHL.

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He was actually very good, and as a goaltender I can tell you that he was very good. He may have a had a few shaky moments, but your first start in the league in quite a while, in front of the home town crowd will do that to you. There are two things that matter for a goaltender, wins and confidence, and Gerber has both going for him right now. I was not a big fan of his signing with this team, but there is no doubt....NONE....that Gerber was very good last night.
Well, Nashville makes any goalie in the league look good on most nights. They have the second worst GF in the conference, barely ahead of only us.

They average a paltry 2.5 G/G and are going to miss the playoffs because of it. They got a goal and 2 goalposts on shots that both beat Gerber cleanly.

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Well, Nashville makes any goalie in the league look good on most nights. They have the second worst GF in the conference, barely ahead of only us.

They average a paltry 2.5 G/G and are going to miss the playoffs because of it. They got a goal and 2 goalposts on shots that both beat Gerber cleanly.
A goalie can let in one goal and have two pucks hit the goalpost every night, and guess what his GAA is?

As long as you get the W, that is all that matters. We as Oilers fans should know that best, remember, Grant Fuhr was a hall of famer for us.


And as far as Nashville making every goalie in the league look good, our defense tends to do the same to most offenses, so point is moot.

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Not sure what this topic has to do with Gerber. I'll say this though he got kind of lucky in the shootout. I liked his work in the regulation. You can't blame a guy for goal posts that happens to the best of them.

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70+ seasons are good enough, when that is the rule rather the exception? Getting tougher players means nothing if the tough players do nothing to help out the skilled players.

The Oilers are wasting an opportunity to let teams know now not to F with us. When you are dead last and going no where a 5 minute major or a bit of a suspension doesn't hurt. When we start contending and points mean something it will be too late.
Do you mean like the wicked hit Gagner placed on the Nashville de-man and subsequently landed on his ass for the umpteenth time last night? Who exactly do you expect to pound on the other team? This team is so pathetically small and made themselves even more fragile at the deadline. Picking up a halfass player who may play someday isn't going to put the fear into any team.

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03-03-2011, 12:35 AM
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While we're on the subject of injuries, apparently Khabibulin is ready to go.

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Khabibulin declares himself ready to go. He's currently taking on Edmonton Sun scribe Derek Van Diest in a ping-pong match. Watch the eye!
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Lol as compared to who else post-lockout who has more than one? Have you lost your damn mind?

2009-10 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 44 24 14 102 .622 0.34 0.09 2nd Lost NHL Conference Semi-Finals M. Babcock (44-24)
2008-09 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 51 21 10 112 .683 0.78 0.03 1st Lost Stanley Cup Finals M. Babcock (51-21)
2007-08 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 54 21 7 115 .701 1.08 0.08 1st Won Stanley Cup Finals M. Babcock (54-21)
2006-07 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 50 19 13 113 .689 0.82 0.14 1st Lost NHL Conference Finals M. Babcock (50-19)
2005-06 NHL Detroit Red Wings* 82 58 16 8 124 .756 0.92 -0.14 1st Lost NHL Conference Quarter-Finals M. Babcock (58-16)

You go find me a more successful post lockout team and then get back to me.
When people think of the Wings, they think multiple cups, which is exactly why they are thrown out there by the no hitting - no fighting crowd as a template for what a team should look like, of course they dont want to mention that the real powerhouse Red Wings, you know, the team that won multiple cups and not just one, had players like Shanahan, Chelios, and McCarty on it, and they had physical wars against teams like Dallas and Colorado.

There is no doubt that they have a good team now, but there is also little doubt that they get injured, a lot.

Another thing to think about is if the Wing template for success is the way to go, there should be more than one team doing it. And there is. They are called the Edmonton Oilers. They openly stated for years that they were following the Wings model. We dont need size or toughness they said. That is yesterday's nhl. In the new nhl, its all about speed and skill. So we proceeded to draft and acquire that type of player whenever we could.

The end result is we have/had a team that is small, soft, and oft injured. Oh, and we are in last place two years running. Yay.

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When people think of the Wings, they think multiple cups, which is exactly why they are thrown out there by the no hitting - no fighting crowd as a template for what a team should look like, of course they dont want to mention that the real powerhouse Red Wings, you know, the team that won multiple cups and not just one, had players like Shanahan, Chelios, and McCarty on it, and they had physical wars against teams like Dallas and Colorado.

There is no doubt that they have a good team now, but there is also little doubt that they get injured, a lot.

Another thing to think about is if the Wing template for success is the way to go, there should be more than one team doing it. And there is. They are called the Edmonton Oilers. They openly stated for years that they were following the Wings model. We dont need size or toughness they said. That is yesterday's nhl. In the new nhl, its all about speed and skill. So we proceeded to draft and acquire that type of player whenever we could.

The end result is we have/had a team that is small, soft, and oft injured. Oh, and we are in last place two years running. Yay.
Oilers
67 Gilbert Brule 24 5-11 186
13 Andrew Cogliano 23 5-10 188
14 Jordan Eberle 20 6-0 185
16 Colin Fraser 26 6-1 194
89 Sam Gagner 21 5-10 191
4 Taylor Hall 19 6-1 194
10 Shawn Horcoff 32 6-1 207
22 Jean-Francois Jacques 25 6-3 231
33 Steve MacIntyre 30 6-5 250
23 Linus Omark 24 5-10 174
91 Magnus Paajarvi 19 6-3 200
85 Liam Reddox 25 5-11 178
83 Ales Hemsky 27 6-0 184
28 Ryan Jones 26 6-0 205


Blackhawks
29 Bryan Bickell 6' 4" 223
36 Dave Bolland 6' 0" 181
22 Troy Brouwer 6' 2" 214
28 Jake Dowell 6' 0" 199
67 Michael Frolik 6' 1" 196
81 Marian Hossa 6' 1" 210
17 Ryan Johnson 6' 1" 199
88 Patrick Kane 5' 10" 178
82 Tomas Kopecky 6' 3" 203
15 Fernando Pisani 6' 1" 205
32 John Scott 6' 8" 258
10 Patrick Sharp "A" 6' 1" 199
25 Viktor Stalberg 6' 3" 210
19 Jonathan Toews "C" 6' 2" 210


Amongst forwards, The 2010 chicago blackhawks (who won the cup) have 7 players under 200 pounds. The Oilers have 9. Not a substantial difference I wouldnt say

The team average in weight, among forwards are:

Blackhawks: 206.07 lbs

Oilers: 197.64 lbs

We are certainly "smaller", but really 8.43 lbs is not much difference. For god sakes, can people stop griping about size.

Here is Philly (another team who did well last season, and doing well so far this season....

11 Blair Betts 6' 3" 210
48 Danny Briere 5' 10" 179
13 Daniel Carcillo 6' 0" 205
17 Jeff Carter 6' 3" 200
28 Claude Giroux 5' 11" 172
19 Scott Hartnell 6' 2" 210
14 Ian Laperriere ** 6' 1" 200
22 Ville Leino 6' 1" 190
15 Andreas Nodl 6' 1" 196
36 Darroll Powe 5' 11" 212
18 Mike Richards "C" 5' 11" 195
45 Jody Shelley 6' 3" 230
10 Kris Versteeg 5' 10" 182
93 Nikolay Zherdev 6' 2" 203
21 James van Riemsdyk 6' 3" 200

Only 6 players below 200, but quite a few right on the cusp.

Team weight average: 198.93

Wow, a whopping 1.29 lbs difference then the oilers.

Honestly, when you are talking about "templates" or "models" to follow, can people stop with the we are too small crap. Yes, we arent icing a team of macintyre's, but cmon, pound for pound, we really arent that tiny.

There are some beasts (like mac, although we just lost penner who would have bumped our average higher) that throw off the averages, but really, all in all, do you think the weight differences make that much of a differences?

Add in the fact that the likes of Hall, MPS, and hopefully some others (Im looking at you Gagner) put on a few pounds over the next couple seasons, and I think weight is a weak excuse.

I dont know. Im soooo rambling now.

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LOL @ the people saying we should have traded Hemsky. Had we done that, this board would have imploded with the return we would have got. So frustrating that all some posters seem capable of doing is *****ing and complaining.

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being small and being soft are 2 completely different things that you have to realize, its ok to be small if you don't play soft.

Sure, Detroit is small, and while their players avoid scrums, they play hard and go to the hard areas during the game.

Datsyuk is only 5-11, 194 lbs, but watch a Detroit game, and tell me how often he loses a board battle. Datsyuk is probably Detroit's toughest player to battle on the boards.

Brian Burke said after his goon Ducks won the cup that he didn't realize how tough the wings were.

For most part the Oilers aren't much smaller than the wings, shoot they may even be bigger, but they play way softer, and their players who have size, don't use it

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It's kind of funny that it was Blum of all people. I wonder if there were any truth to those rumors.
When asked how many talks the Preds had with the Oil about Oil d-men, the preds assistant quickly responded with zero.

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If he continues getting hurt I cannot fathom the Oilers locking him up long term. The last thing that we need is to lock him up long term and then to see the injuries really affect his production ala Horcoff. If he is fine I'd still push to trade him at the draft, maybe he could land us TO's 1st round pick via Boston? He puts himself in bad spots all the time and the older he gets the more it will take a toll on his body. Hemsky at 32 will probably be a walking/talking band-aid.
At what point could you fathom doing this? There hasn't been a point this year where I thought to myself that giving Hemsky a long-term deal would be smart.

Can't remember who on 1260, but someone was saying that no one was going to give the asking price for Hemsky at this trade dealine because of injuries. No team is going to give a 1st, top prospect and a roster player for a guy with Hemsky's injury past.

We better just hope its not serious because kiss any chance of trading him in the offseason good-bye if it is.

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While we're on the subject of injuries, apparently Khabibulin is ready to go.



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He was practing I guess, but he has to watch lifting because of blood vessels popping at this point.

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LOL @ the people saying we should have traded Hemsky. Had we done that, this board would have imploded with the return we would have got. So frustrating that all some posters seem capable of doing is *****ing and complaining.

I wanted him gone for this very reason. We are going to be borderline close to a Souray situation.

But no, I was told he has no injury history and he is apart of the core going forward.

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The last thing that we need is to lock him up long term and then to see the injuries really affect his production ala Horcoff

The old excuse machine for Horcoff. The only guy that consistently gets excused for crap play due to 'injury' Hemsky gets hurt, when he gets back he averages his usual near point a game. Horcoff gets hurt 2 years ago and it affects his play badly. Teflon Shawn indeed.

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I wanted him gone for this very reason. We are going to be borderline close to a Souray situation.

But no, I was told he has no injury history and he is apart of the core going forward.
Have a gander at Detroit star players injury histories I quoted on this forum. They had better dump Datsyuk, Zetterstrom, Holmstrom and Franson, all are injury prone.

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LOL @ the people saying we should have traded Hemsky. Had we done that, this board would have imploded with the return we would have got. So frustrating that all some posters seem capable of doing is *****ing and complaining.
If you think that the board would have imploded at the return that we could have gotten at this deadline just wait for the implosion when we see the return for Hemsky either in the offseason or next deadline, it ain't gonna be pretty OR if/when Tambellini signs him to a 5yr $30mil extension and Hemsky plays 40-50 games a year on average over the duration of the contract, it'll be borderline armageddon around these parts.

I don't know WTF Tambellini was thinking by overpricing Hemsky so damn much, just pure stupidity. I can understand him holding out for a good deal but when he said in the press conference that nobody came even close to prying Hemsky away from him and then he proceeded to place Smid in a similar category, let's just say May God Help Us.

People say that he was holding the cards because Hemsky is signed for another year....Well, those cards are getting thrown off the table as Hemsky piles up the injuries and gets closer to free agency. It's not like he's a franchise center or defenseman for god sakes, he's a good winger who gets injured a lot and Tambellini was treating him like Sidney fn Crosby. Good God.

Maybe i'm whining and *****ing but it's hard not to considering our current state of affairs.

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Have a gander at Detroit star players injury histories I quoted on this forum. They had better dump Datsyuk, Zetterstrom, Holmstrom and Franson, all are injury prone.
Homstrom makes very little so that's not an issue.

Datysuk really? Are you kidding? He has played pretty much injury free other than a break of a bone this year that can be deemed a freak accident. Since the lockout he hasn't had any real issues.

Same goes for Zetterberg. I have no real issue with him playing 70+ games except one year.

If you're fine with giving Hemsky a long-term deal you better not be *****ing when he is sitting on the IR. Averaging 63 games a year isn't something I want out of my star player especially if its a long-term deal.

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For the record post-lockout averages

Datsyuk- 79.4
Zetterburg - 73.2
Franzen- 63.8
Homstrom- 67.6
Hemsky - 62.6

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Homstrom makes very little so that's not an issue.

Datysuk really? Are you kidding? He has played pretty much injury free other than a break of a bone this year that can be deemed a freak accident. Since the lockout he hasn't had any real issues.

Same goes for Zetterberg. I have no real issue with him playing 70+ games except one year.

If you're fine with giving Hemsky a long-term deal you better not be *****ing when he is sitting on the IR. Averaging 63 games a year isn't something I want out of my star player especially if its a long-term deal.
I dunno. Take away Hemmer's outlier season last year and he and Zetterberg have a very similar number of games played on average.

I'm not saying he never gets hurt or anything, but long-term injuries like that skew the stats a bit.

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btw, Hemsky most likely to play tonight.

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why isnt this guy maximizing his talents for my consumerism-nerd-fandom? i cant believe he gets hurt! what is this guy, a loser? i cant believe we didnt get maximum value so i can be entertained in the future of my boring life.

seriously, some of the comments here for a dude who plays in dirty areas and takes beatings to create plays on a PATHETIC team - for your goofy city - is beyond hilarious.

i kind of hope they do lose him for nothing just to slap the whiny fans in the face.

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