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03-03-2011, 11:46 PM
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Question about RFA offer sheets?

If a RFA signs an offer sheet and his current team chooses not to match, does the 1st round pick compensation start immediately in the draft of the current offseason or does it start the following year? I ask because a team with a top-5 pick would probably back off when contemplating throwing an offer sheet out there if that meant they would lose their top-5 pick, however if the compensation started the following year it could make the RFA route a bit more enticing.

I'm assuming though that it does start the current year, just based on the overall rarity of RFAs signing outside offers.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

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RFA season is after the draft. Just like UFA season (July 1st). Qualifying offers get sent first then negotiations... so it's not possible to lose "this year's" 1st rounder.

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RFA season is after the draft. Just like UFA season (July 1st). Qualifying offers get sent first then negotiations... so it's not possible to lose "this year's" 1st rounder.
Thanks for clarifying.

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which is part of the intrigue of high-end RFA offers.


look at the oilers-vanek sheet for example.

sure you can say that vanek vs myers+svensson+hall+1st/2nd overall this year would've been a terrible trade for the oil, but where would those picks have ended up had the oilers got vanek instead of penner? Myers could be Cuma. Svensson could be Caron. Hall could be Tinordi. This year's pick could be 17-25.

part of making high-end offersheets is believing that the player you are acquiring will help your team a lot, so the picks you end up giving up end up being weaker picks.

If someone offersheeted Parise or Weber for example, they'd be banking on these guys to improve their teams to the point that the draft pick compensation is an underpayment.

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which is part of the intrigue of high-end RFA offers.


look at the oilers-vanek sheet for example.

sure you can say that vanek vs myers+svensson+hall+1st/2nd overall this year would've been a terrible trade for the oil, but where would those picks have ended up had the oilers got vanek instead of penner? Myers could be Cuma. Svensson could be Caron. Hall could be Tinordi. This year's pick could be 17-25.

part of making high-end offersheets is believing that the player you are acquiring will help your team a lot, so the picks you end up giving up end up being weaker picks.

If someone offersheeted Parise or Weber for example, they'd be banking on these guys to improve their teams to the point that the draft pick compensation is an underpayment.
Interesting then that it would seem to favor the top teams to offer sheet the top RFAs, which would be counter intuitive to the concept that the bottom teams can quickly turn things around with signings of the top free agents. The bugaboo is having the draft choice compensation necessary to outright sign (not trade for) RFAs.

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Interesting then that it would seem to favor the top teams to offer sheet the top RFAs, which would be counter intuitive to the concept that the bottom teams can quickly turn things around with signings of the top free agents. The bugaboo is having the draft choice compensation necessary to outright sign (not trade for) RFAs.
This is kinda bang on, I'm suprised that teams that are 2nd to 3rd round playoff teams don't explore the RFA option more, it's a legit way of getting a solid young player, the risk like the Oilers is doing it too early or for a player that isn't quite ready for the money/players.

As for people who think offer sheets are bad business they really aren't, it's a risk of letting a player get to the free agency period instead of signing them before July 1. Hense why more teams are locking up key RFA's before free agency occurs.

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This is kinda bang on, I'm suprised that teams that are 2nd to 3rd round playoff teams don't explore the RFA option more, it's a legit way of getting a solid young player, the risk like the Oilers is doing it too early or for a player that isn't quite ready for the money/players.
Getting a player to sign an offer sheet isn't the easiest thing to do. When the Devils had cap issues with Mogilny's contract, Brian Gionta mentioned that he had been approached with an offer sheet but declined to sign it.

Most '2nd to 3rd round playoff' squads are pretty close to the cap as well. So that limits their options.

The main detractor to me is that teams have a week to decide whether to match. So that limits your options, which can be big if the offer is tendered early in the free agency period. If the other team waits before matching, you could miss out on UFA replacements.

And it's tough to find scenarios where you can tender a non-outrageous offer that doesn't get matched.

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