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03-05-2011, 12:37 PM
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To PIT: MPS, Gagner, Hemsky

To EDM: Malkin

Is the value there? There's no doubt the best player in the deal is Malkin by a mile, but he's coming off of major surgery and makes 8.7 million. The fact is, he's still a top 5-10 player in the game today (if he has a successful recovery). On the other hand, paying 2 guys a combined 17.6 mil (players no doubt worth it) comes at a cost, the cost being depth. Its fine if these guys are healthy, survivable if one is injured, but when both are injured the Pens become a shadow of the team they should be. Quantity for quality deals usually look bad - unless the team already has a greater quality player than the player they are giving up (in this case the best player in the game).

Currently, the Pens D is set for the foreseeable future. With Malkin, they'd have roughly 5.5mil to sign 6 forwards. If they were to take the deal, they'd have 6.3 mil to sign 4 forwards. Either Gagner could be dealt for another piece and Staal promoted to 2nd line C (finally), or those 3 intertwined with Crosby, Kunitz and Neal, leaving Staal to remain one of the most dominant 3rd line C's.

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I'd do it as Pittsburgh, not sure if Pittsburgh fans would though. Maybe Eberle instead of MPS.

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I'd do it as Pittsburgh, not sure if Pittsburgh fans would though. Maybe Eberle instead of MPS.

pens fans would ask for 2011 pick as well and that would kill it for oiler fans

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I'd do it as Pittsburgh, not sure if Pittsburgh fans would though. Maybe Eberle instead of MPS.
Heck the oilers misewell throw in Hall and the 2011 1st as well.

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I would say no from the pens POV for this off- season. Just because they had tonnes of injuries this year and IMO this team on paper (all roster players) looks like a cup team. So one more year with Malkin before Shero might consider moving him. And another thing I still dont know if that is enough, I would want a a different player then gagner.

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The Malkin conversation starts with Eberle and Hall.

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The Malkin conversation starts with Eberle and Hall.
Likely ends there as well.

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No. Contenders don't trade a 24 year old all-world center for a soon-to-be UFA, a small 2nd line pivot, and a magic bean.

Even if he did have a rough season.

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Value's decent but I'd pass, one of Hall or Eberle would have to be in deal.

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No. Contenders don't trade a 24 year old all-world center for a soon-to-be UFA, a small 2nd line pivot, and a magic bean.

Even if he did have a rough season.
Or 2.

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Malkin although a fantastic player seems to be taking a step back every year for the last 2 years. He is a really good player but giving up Hall or Eberle does not help our rebuild. We are not going to give up Hall only for a player like Crosby as his play has not dropped but improved.

Pitt's fans will have a rude awakening when Malkin is traded and he does not get the return that they expect. 8.7mil contract does not help when moving a player as only so many teams can take that on.

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Malkin although a fantastic player seems to be taking a step back every year for the last 2 years. He is a really good player but giving up Hall or Eberle does not help our rebuild. We are not going to give up Hall only for a player like Crosby as his play has not dropped but improved.

Pitt's fans will have a rude awakening when Malkin is traded and he does not get the return that they expect. 8.7mil contract does not help when moving a player as only so many teams can take that on.
Oilers fans are gonna have a rude awakening when they realize Malkin is not available, and that teams can't win with no goaltending, defense, or centers-3 things Pittsburgh DOES have. Keep your wingers, and we'll keep Malkin, and we'll keep winning while you take a nap in the basement of the standings.

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No. Contenders don't trade a 24 year old all-world center for a soon-to-be UFA, a small 2nd line pivot, and a magic bean.

Even if he did have a rough season.
as an oiler fan I agree


Hemsky--when healthy can be a point a game man
Gagner--could be a good second line center

you don't get that for a guy that scored over 100pts twice

to even get the PEns attention that oilers would need to start with Hall or the 2011 first overall pick before adding Gagner and Hemsky and oilers wont do that deal

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Malkin although a fantastic player seems to be taking a step back every year for the last 2 years. He is a really good player but giving up Hall or Eberle does not help our rebuild. We are not going to give up Hall only for a player like Crosby as his play has not dropped but improved.

Pitt's fans will have a rude awakening when Malkin is traded and he does not get the return that they expect. 8.7mil contract does not help when moving a player as only so many teams can take that on.
Oiler fans would be in for a rude awakening as well, if they think it wouldn't cost Hall +.

Pens have no reason to deal Malkin as their cap situation wouldn't force a deal. In fact they now have Neal and most likely 3-4m in cap room this Summer to chase after another winger, once the rest of the roster is filled out.

Why again would they be trading Malkin?

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Hall, Eberle, Marincin, 3 first round picks, Steve MacIntyre, the key to the city of Edmonton, the rights to Tambellini's first born son and $1,000,000 USD in small, unmarked bills.

Any offer less than that? No dice, Edmonton.

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Pitt's fans will have a rude awakening when Malkin is traded and he does not get the return that they expect. 8.7mil contract does not help when moving a player as only so many teams can take that on.
You really don't think there's at least a handful of teams who would be willing to make the cap space for Malkin? I'd imagine almost every team in the league would.

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Hall, Eberle, Marincin, 3 first round picks, Steve MacIntyre, the key to the city of Edmonton, the rights to Tambellini's first born son and $1,000,000 USD in small, unmarked bills.

Any offer less than that? No dice, Edmonton.
Why would you want Jeff Tambellini?

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Why would you want Jeff Tambellini?
Because it dates back to the ancient Ottoman practice of taking the sons of the conquered to serve in their armies.

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I don't think that's anywhere close to what Pittsburgh would want. This is one of those rare deals where you actually want everyone involved to be signed for as long as possible, and Hemsky, who is the centerpiece of the deal from the Pens POV, is only signed for one more season.

It's possible after just one season this deal looks like MPS and Gagner for Malkin, which is terrible.

I think Paajarvi and Eberle would have to be involved, not just one of them. I don't see how any deal involving Hall and Malkin could work out and fit the needs of both teams.

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When making a Malkin proposal you need to ask yourself a few questions about it and if the answer is 'no' to any of them it's probably not gonna work:

1 - Does it fill Pittsburgh's needs? - Kinda, but Hemmer's always hurt and the Pens don't need a small center.

2 - Is the other team's best player/asset involved? - Nope, not even EDM's 2nd best player is involved or their 1st rounder this year, which has more value than anything involved in this deal IMO.

3 - Is the deal better than what other teams would offer for Malkin? - Hell no. Pens would get much better offers for Malkin.

As you can see you get two hard "No's" and a "maybe". Not enough for Malkin.

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For Malkin, Hall would have to be coming the other way.

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I can't see the Oil making an offer that doesn't cause the Pens to laugh, and I can't see the Oil not laughing when they find out the Pens demands.

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The Oilers were going to bid seriously on Malkin it would look something like:

2011 1st rounder
2012 1st rounder
Any roster player who doesn't have a 4 stitched into their jersey.

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The Oilers were going to bid seriously on Malkin it would look something like:

2011 1st rounder
2012 1st rounder
Any roster player who doesn't have a 4 stitched into their jersey.
Why does one of the best teams in the NHL trade for futures?

If Hall isn't coming Pittsburgh's way, you can't even make an offer for Malkin that wouldn't get laughed at. End of story.

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Likely ends there as well.
Most Pens' fans are not heartbroken at that result.

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