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03-05-2011, 09:28 PM
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The Realistic Potential of Max Pacioretty

It's official, Max Pacioretty is the real deal. But how real? What do we actually have here? It's hard not to get over-excited about this guy, and maybe this isn't exactly the best time to start this thread, but Max Pacioretty.. is a MONSTER!

Tomas Plekanec clearly has the best offensive smarts on the team, and is also a dominant defensive presence, but after him, Patches is our most complete player and his physical presence and pure powerforward skill set is something Plekanec just can't bring. And he has a killer instinct the likes of which we haven't seen in a LONG time (except from Cammalleri in the playoffs). His consistency is another thing I love about MaxPac, he's been equally outstanding in basically every game.

After a shaky start to his career, Pacioretty kind of fell under the radar and there were some doubt, he now has 14 goals and 10 assists for 24 points in 36 games this season. Expanded over 82 games that's 32 goals and 23 assists for 55 points in his first year as a legitimate NHLer.

So what do we have here?:

Perrenial 60 point player? 70-75? PPG? Does he have a 45-40 season in him? Is he a future all-star? What's the limit on Pacioretty's potential?

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Erik Cole in his prime is what he'll become imo.

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No more than 60-65 points. 25-30 goals a year I'd say.

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No more than 60-65 points. 25-30 goals a year I'd say.
I think he should average that with a top season in the 35 goal 75-80 points.

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From the statistical point of view, MaxPac is getting his goals the right way, by piling up shots, not by being opportunistic. Most players who start on a hot streak do so because they get lucky and pot 10 goals on their first 60 shots. Not so with MaxPac; he gets his goals by dominating possession and generating scoring chances.

Piling up shots is something that a player is more likely to replicate, so absolutely, MaxPac is the real deal, and he may even climb a step over what he's shown. 25-30 goals next year is certainly a realistic hope.

Over the next years, regular production of around 30 goals is plausible. If he gets lucky one year, he may well crack 40.

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I rly like the Eric Cole comparison. I'd even say that he could be what he was at his prime for a much longer time than he did. So basicly a 30g 30a 60p consistent per year type of guy.

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Seriously i remember when we did the top 10 prospect and he finnished second by default but i remember so many fans had lost all faith in his potential.... what a turn around even in the ahl he was not producing last season this year its like a butterfly (with incorporated bazooka) as emerged from tyat cocoon... simply amazing... doesnt give a damn about the danger zone (remember how he pushed chara? Not once but twice, come back after that monster wiz shot that takes huge spherical pucks, wich were tested few games back) ... this guy potential? Ill say 30 goals 25 assists 50-65 pts per season... but way more valuable than his stats will show... bergy was right he has arrived big time.

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He is the only forward producing with Gomez as is center. It makes you wonder if he would be even better with the likes of Plekanec... I guess tough he creates alot of plays by himself by being so dominant and strong when he protects the puck. He is one hell of a player.

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Erik Cole in his prime is what he'll become imo.
... I like it

60-65 points, 30 goals. Cole's best season was 61 in 71, which would have been 70 points.

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Dustin Brown type... 55-60pts 30 goals scorer and leader on the ice. Good solid PF...

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From the statistical point of view, MaxPac is getting his goals the right way, by piling up shots, not by being opportunistic. Most players who start on a hot streak do so because they get lucky and pot 10 goals on their first 60 shots. Not so with MaxPac; he gets his goals by dominating possession and generating scoring chances.

Piling up shots is something that a player is more likely to replicate, so absolutely, MaxPac is the real deal, and he may even climb a step over what he's shown. 25-30 goals next year is certainly a realistic hope.

Over the next years, regular production of around 30 goals is plausible. If he gets lucky one year, he may well crack 40.


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I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a consistent 30/30 guy. Amazing that he was drafted with Erik Cole comparisons and may just as well deliver.

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If he ever can add 15 pounds over the next years he will be the guy to watch cause he loves to be in crease.... the guy is tough from the shy intimidated player to the i dont give a damn player, what a delight to watch!

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No more than 60-65 points. 25-30 goals a year I'd say.
Bang on, imo. Gonna need a line where BOTH forwards playing with him are Plekanec-calibre (or better) if he is going to see season totals any higher than that. Funny enough, I have had him pegged at almost exactly this "projection" (30+30=60) for a couple of years now. Good to see more people realizing that he DOES have the tools to be that productive in the NHL and is already set to put them to use, but a little worried for the emotional well-being of those who are starting to expect 40 goals and 70+ pts/almost a PPG for him in the future.

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Bang on, imo. Gonna need a line where BOTH forwards playing with him are Plekanec-calibre (or better) if he is going to see season totals any higher than that. Funny enough, I have had him pegged at almost exactly this "projection" (30+30=60) for a couple of years now. Good to see more people realizing that he DOES have the tools to be that productive in the NHL and is already set to put them to use, but a little worried for the emotional well-being of those who are starting to expect 40 goals and 70+ pts/almost a PPG for him in the future.
I think the Habs gave him things to work on when they sent him down last season. The thing that seems to stand out the most is his willingness to shoot now compared to before.

In 2008/2009 in the AHL he average under 2.4 shots/game and had 6 goals in 37 games. In the NHL that season he averaged 1.7 shots/game and had 3 goals in 34 goals.

In 2009/2010 in the NHL he averaged 1.4 shots/game and had 3 goals in 52 games...then boom. After being sent down, in the AHL he averaged 3.4 shots/game (significant increase to any of his previous averages) but still only got 2 goals in 19 games.

In 2010/2011 in the AHL he average 4.9 shots/game (even more significant increase to his shot totals) and had 17 goals in 27 games. In the NHL he is averaging 3.1 shots/game (pretty much double what he averaged before in the NHL) and has 14 goals in 36 games.

I like this change in his game.

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He's becoming my favorite Habs Player.

Pacioretty, Subban, Eller, Price.

We have finally something to look forward for our futur.

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I could def see 30-40 goals from this guy. 40 might be far-fetched with Martin, but who knows.

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He reminds me of another american former Hab. Hopefully we don't make any mistakes this time around.

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I see Perennial 30/30 from this guy, and ill TAKE it..

Simply put, he is what i THOUGHT Guillaume Latendresse was going to be

but it was evident EARLy on with Gui that he didnt have the "speed" our team/style required

Watching patches for the first time ever 3 years ago, you could SEe what he could become, it was just a matter of it being realized

we are now watching that progression turn into frutition

the guy is a KEE-PER.

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I think the Habs gave him things to work on when they sent him down last season. The thing that seems to stand out the most is his willingness to shoot now compared to before.

In 2008/2009 in the AHL he average under 2.4 shots/game and had 6 goals in 37 games. In the NHL that season he averaged 1.7 shots/game and had 3 goals in 34 goals.

In 2009/2010 in the NHL he averaged 1.4 shots/game and had 3 goals in 52 games...then boom. After being sent down, in the AHL he averaged 3.4 shots/game (significant increase to any of his previous averages) but still only got 2 goals in 19 games.

In 2010/2011 in the AHL he average 4.9 shots/game (even more significant increase to his shot totals) and had 17 goals in 27 games. In the NHL he is averaging 3.1 shots/game (pretty much double what he averaged before in the NHL) and has 14 goals in 36 games.

I like this change in his game.
That for sure, and I think he has officially been given the green light for a little puck patience; meaning he is being encouraged to keep the puck on his stick a little longer and make something happen "driving it" toward the net or waiting a bit longer for plays to develop instead of just safely dumping it in or quickly sliding it off to a linemate to do the hard work. The success of both is dependent on confidence, and it would seem as though his little stint down in Hamilton gave him a healthy dose of it.

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''Not under my system!!! Muhahahhahahhaha!!!''
Common misconception. JM's system is not hampering the Habs' offense. They are a top-5 team in shots on goal. They're just lacking in finish/opportunism/luck/whatever.

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