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03-05-2011, 09:00 AM
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Well, it seems to be missing Kokhlachev.
Ah, gotcha - thanks. Anyone got links to what they consider to be more representative lists?

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Sorry - what do you mean? The link goes to a fairly straightforward prospect ranking. Why does that bother you?
Umm, Huberdeau at 4, Hamilton at 12 and Siemens at 23 are part of what (former) BB is referring to.

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NO NO NO! The last thing we need is to trade down and lose out on a top tier prospect just to gain another 2nd rounder. if anything we should be looking to try to move UP in the draft to get that impact player on offense. if we finish 6-10 we should look to package our pick and a prospect like werek for a top 5 pick
This draft isn't as talented as previous drafts in recent years. Outside of the first 4-5 guys, the talent drop off is great. There are tons of boom-or-bust type prospects.

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There isn't a big drop off between the top 4 and the top 8, IMO the dropoff is st that point

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Umm, Huberdeau at 4, Hamilton at 12 and Siemens at 23 are part of what (former) BB is referring to.
Yeah. Couturier at 6? Really?

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Umm, Huberdeau at 4, Hamilton at 12 and Siemens at 23 are part of what (former) BB is referring to.
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Yeah. Couturier at 6? Really?
Thanks, guys. Just starting to figure out this year's class.

So, the first two that I've taken a look at are Strome and Huberdeau, since they seem like they'll be available after the top 5 and people seem to mention them in the same breath.

Gotta say, if both are available, Strome would be my strong preference. Granted, it's only based on video clips, but a lot of Huberdeau's goals appear to be based on receiving good passes from teammates when standing in front of the net or taking the puck out from behind the net and jamming it in. I don't know how well those stuff-in plays will translate to the pros. Strome on the other hand, seems to score many more of his goals by cutting through the defense, dangling around them or shooting past them.

Now, of course there's a lot of value in players who "have a nose for the net" and who are consistently "in the right place at the right time", but give me the pure, raw talent that Strome displays. His shot in particular is absolutely tantalizing - seems to pop the water bottle every time.

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I think there is a pretty good chance Strome sneaks into the top 5. Unfortunately, I just don't think there is much of a chance that we would be able to get him. I'm very high on him, and I think, much like Johansen, people will not let the chance to get a highly-skilled offensive center pass them by.

He's a good deal better than Huburdeau, IMO.

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Umm, Huberdeau at 4, Hamilton at 12 and Siemens at 23 are part of what (former) BB is referring to.
That's because BB is too invested in the names.

Couturier at 6 isn't bad at all. Neither is Huberdeau at 4. This draft is a crapshoot.

To put it in perspective, I have Biggs at 5 in my top 30 right now.

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I think there is a pretty good chance Strome sneaks into the top 5. Unfortunately, I just don't think there is much of a chance that we would be able to get him. I'm very high on him, and I think, much like Johansen, people will not let the chance to get a highly-skilled offensive center pass them by.

He's a good deal better than Huburdeau, IMO.
I'm not sure I agree with that one.

I'm far more impressed with Huberdeau's ability to play in traffic than I am with Strome's. I think that's absolutely paramount when considering a prospect.

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I'm not sure I agree with that one.

I'm far more impressed with Huberdeau's ability to play in traffic than I am with Strome's. I think that's absolutely paramount when considering a prospect.
I agree and I have Huberdeau ahead of Strome as well.

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Here is my current top 10, anyway.

1. RHN
2. Landeskog
3. Huberdeau
4. Larsson
5. Biggs
6. Murphy
7. Couturier
8. Siemens
9. Strome
10. Hamilton

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Here is my current top 10, anyway.

1. RHN
2. Landeskog
3. Huberdeau
4. Larsson
5. Biggs
6. Murphy
7. Couturier
8. Siemens
9. Strome
10. Hamilton
Just curious, why do you like Biggs so much? I'd definitely have Couturier, Murphy, and Strome over him. Maybe even Siemens.

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Here is my current top 10, anyway.

1. RHN
2. Landeskog
3. Huberdeau
4. Larsson
5. Biggs
6. Murphy
7. Couturier
8. Siemens
9. Strome
10. Hamilton
I'd take Hamilton over Murphy.

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03-06-2011, 03:20 AM
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Here is my current top 10, anyway.

1. RHN
2. Landeskog
3. Huberdeau
4. Larsson
5. Biggs
6. Murphy
7. Couturier
8. Siemens
9. Strome
10. Hamilton

rnh
landeskog
larsson
huberdeau
hamilton
murphy
strome
khokhlachev
couturier
saad

my top 10 right now.

not a biggs guy what so ever. certainly no where near my top 10.

zibanejad and catenacci both in my top 20 btw.


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Puempel is a great sniper..wicked shot, creates stuff out of nothing at times. Armia is great around the net, big player..very raw though, kind of like a more assertive Anisimov.
A year ago would have totally agreed, but not anymore even though he might be a bigger risk than some prospects outside of the top-4.

Sure Armia would need atleast one season in SM-liiga still, depending how well he continues his quick development of his overall game. Need pounds for that 6'4 body, especially to his legs to further improve his skating, what went from struggling a bit in junior to good enough against men over last summer. Can make pretty plays by himself, has a quick and good right-handed shot plus he really likes to use it, isn't afraid to go to the net and be a little pain in the arse for the other team, can also be surprisingly physical. Has the tools to be a dangerous goalscoring threat in the NHL one day, but obviously like I wrote he needs to work hard on his game and body to reach that big potential.


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Why is Couturier dropping on all of these lists?

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I'm not sure I agree with that one.

I'm far more impressed with Huberdeau's ability to play in traffic than I am with Strome's. I think that's absolutely paramount when considering a prospect.
So those of you who have the more in-depth opinions based on analysis like this - where are you getting your info? Do you watch the games in person? Do you buy live streams of the various CHL teams? Are there resources online (preferably free) that you can point us to? Thanks!

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I'm not sure I agree with that one.

I'm far more impressed with Huberdeau's ability to play in traffic than I am with Strome's. I think that's absolutely paramount when considering a prospect.
Really, because I think in high-pressure situations, Strome has better vision and is just a more accurate passer. I like his skills more, and I also think he does this while playing with significantly less talent (Huberdeau has one of the most stacked teams in the CHL in terms of offensive talent).

I would gamble with a top 5 pick on Strome, but not on Huberdeau.

My rankings right now:

1) RNH 2) Larsson
3) Landeskog 4) Strome
5) Couturier 6) Murphy
7) Hamilton 8) Huberdeau
9) Siemens 10) Biggs
11) Brodin 12) Armia
13) Jensen 14) Khokhlachev
15) Rattie 16) Bartschi
17) Saad 18) Clendening
19) McNeill 20) Oleksiak
21) Zibanejad 22) Namestnikov
23) Musil 24) Miller
25) Rask 26) Jurco
27) Prince 28) Catenacci
29) St. Croix 30) Rackell

Grimaldi, Mayfield, Nieto, Jenner, Lessio, Rieder, Phillips all early 2nd rounders.

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Why is Couturier dropping on all of these lists?
not a fan of his wheels. he doesnt have top end speed.

his recent play in the top prospects game which i watched was so-so. and at the world juniors he wasnt all that great either to be honest.

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Really, because I think in high-pressure situations, Strome has better vision and is just a more accurate passer. I like his skills more, and I also think he does this while playing with significantly less talent (Huberdeau has one of the most stacked teams in the CHL in terms of offensive talent).

I would gamble with a top 5 pick on Strome, but not on Huberdeau.
I see Strome as a very skilled and flashy player, but I think he's going to have a difficult time creating space for himself at the next level. Especially given the fact that he's not very strong at all.

I think Huberdeau is equally skilled, but his shot may not be quite as good as Strome's. However, I think Huberdeau is stronger, and is able to do the same things in traffic that he can in open ice. I have him ahead of Strome right now.

My top 30: (work in progress)

1. Larsson
2. Landeskog
3. RNH
4. Murphy
5. Huberdeau
6. Couturier
7. Hamilton
8. Strome
9. Biggs
10. Armia
11. Siemens
12. Saad
13. Bell
14. Zibanejad
15. Musil
16. Khokhlachev
17. Scheifele
18. Grimaldi
19. Clendenning
20. Brodin
21. Jensen
22. Jaskin
23. Catenacci
24. Puempel
25. Rask
26. McNeil
27. Jurco
28. Mayfield
29. Rattie
30. Shore
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So those of you who have the more in-depth opinions based on analysis like this - where are you getting your info? Do you watch the games in person? Do you buy live streams of the various CHL teams? Are there resources online (preferably free) that you can point us to? Thanks!
I have a few Canadian friends who watch a ton of Junior hockey, so I listen to what they have to say quite a bit, but most of the time I just try and purchase as many CHL webcasts as possible.

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/ is a good site to get some basic information on a lot of players.

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So those of you who have the more in-depth opinions based on analysis like this - where are you getting your info? Do you watch the games in person? Do you buy live streams of the various CHL teams? Are there resources online (preferably free) that you can point us to? Thanks!
I buy a decent amount of streams, and when you watch streams you can chat with other viewers. Usually, if they're paying to watch the stream, they're knowledgeable fans who watch a lot of junior hockey.

There are some websites here and there, too. The Scouting Report, The Hockey Writers. Even the local newspapers that cover the junior teams. But you can't take anything that any of these sources say as fact. I was just reading a profile on TSR of one player. I couldn't have disagreed more with their analysis. It was pretty much the exact opposite of how I felt about the player. Nothing like watching for yourself.

I also know a few people who work in the game in various capacities and they're generous enough to pass along video footage to me whenever they can. When I can, I like to get their personal take as well.


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I see Strome as a very skilled and flashy player, but I think he's going to have a difficult time creating space for himself at the next level. Especially given the fact that he's not very strong at all.

I think Huberdeau is equally skilled, but his shot may not be quite as good as Strome's. However, I think Huberdeau is stronger, and is able to do the same things in traffic that he can in open ice. I have him ahead of Strome right now.
Strome is such a skilled passer that I don't think a lack of space will present much of a problem for him. I think he's the type of player that will draw defenders to him and make that perfect split-second pass a lot. He's a very quick decision maker, too, which I like. He's confident when he moves the puck.

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My top 30: (work in progress)

1. Larsson
2. Landeskog
3. RNH
4. Murphy
5. Huberdeau
6. Couturier
7. Hamilton
8. Strome
9. Biggs
10. Armia
11. Siemens
12. Saad
13. Bell
14. Zibanejad
15. Musil
16. Khokhlachev
17. Scheifele
18. Grimaldi
19. Clendenning
20. Jensen
21. Jaskin
22. Catenacci
23. Puempel
24. Rask
25. McNeil
26. Jurco
27. Mayfield
28. Rattie
29. Shore
30. Oleksiak
Oops, I forgot about Puempel, I think. I'm surprised you don't have Brodin anywhere in the top 30.


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Just curious, why do you like Biggs so much? I'd definitely have Couturier, Murphy, and Strome over him. Maybe even Siemens.
Projection. He's been excellent against NCAA teams and projects to be a very good, safe player at the NHL level. Projection, projection, projection. It's not all stats and flash like some think it should be.

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Really, because I think in high-pressure situations, Strome has better vision and is just a more accurate passer. I like his skills more, and I also think he does this while playing with significantly less talent (Huberdeau has one of the most stacked teams in the CHL in terms of offensive talent).

I would gamble with a top 5 pick on Strome, but not on Huberdeau.

My rankings right now:

1) RNH 2) Larsson
3) Landeskog 4) Strome
5) Couturier 6) Murphy
7) Hamilton 8) Huberdeau
9) Siemens 10) Biggs
11) Brodin 12) Armia
13) Jensen 14) Khokhlachev
15) Rattie 16) Bartschi
17) Saad 18) Clendening
19) McNeill 20) Oleksiak
21) Zibanejad 22) Namestnikov
23) Musil 24) Miller
25) Rask 26) Jurco
27) Prince 28) Catenacci
29) St. Croix 30) Rackell

Grimaldi, Mayfield, Nieto, Jenner, Lessio, Rieder, Phillips all early 2nd rounders.
Jurco and St. Croix over Grimaldi? With what reasoning?

Grimaldi is already performing at over a PPG pace against college players.

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Why is Couturier dropping on all of these lists?
He hasn't really improved at all since last year and had a sub par WJC. I'm not overly impressed with him at all.

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