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03-07-2011, 01:59 PM
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It's only distributed to certain zip codes. If you call up the Times and complain that you don't receive the magazine they'll send it to you complimentary I think. At least that's what they were doing for a while.


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The drafting of Keith was not recognized as a turning point for their franchise until quite a few years after, and he was not considered a Norris Trophy candidate until 2008 or so. The Kings have been drafting very well since Lombardi took over and before he came on board, and at some point, that excuse of inexperience and learning to win is going to wear thin when within the next season or two.


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and at some point, that excuse of inexperience and learning to win is going to where thin when within the next season or two.


Yes. In two-three seasons it will. Clearly. But not now. Now it's just reality.

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Yes. In two-three seasons it will. Clearly. But not now. Now it's just reality.
Yep, pretty much. Get ready for Schenn and Loktionov and possibly Moller and/or Voynov in the Kings' lineup on a regular basis next season. It is part of the process of getting younger and more talented that the team is going through at this time.

Of course we could be stupid and trade these kids for some mercenary that might play here for a season or two. As we all know the Kings have had great success doing that in the past.

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I'm awaiting the day where management starts talking about winning Stanley Cups as opposed to collecting assets and boasting one of the youngest teams in the league.

I understand the logistics of accumulating assets and every year Lombardi boasts about his teams getting younger and better every year, but as the GM, what is his answer to getting this team to the next level?

He repeatedly states that the young players have to get better, and there is no disputing that, but, what if they don't get significantly better than what we're seeing now? Then what's going to happen? What new excuse is Dean going to use when Kopitar is in his late 20s and Brown is in his early 30s and they continue on with their inconsistent play?

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I'm awaiting the day where management starts talking about winning Stanley Cups as opposed to collecting assets and boasting one of the youngest teams in the league.

I understand the logistics of accumulating assets and every year Lombardi boasts about his teams getting younger and better every year, but as the GM, what is his answer to getting this team to the next level? He repeatedly states that the young players have to get better, and there is no disputing that, but, what if they don't get significantly better than what we're seeing now? Then what's going to happen? What new excuse is Dean going to use when Kopitar is in his late 20s and Brown is in his early 30s and they continue on with their inconsistent play?
What's your answer? Trade Kopitar and/or Brown now?

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What's your answer? Trade Kopitar and/or Brown now?
If Chicago will take them for Toews and Kane, yes.

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So Chicago took 8 years to win a Cup and the Kings are in year 5? By my calculations, the Kings will go to the conference finals in two years and win the Cup in three. Hell yeah!

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hmmm....

Some of you guys are straight up senile. Let me see the Blackhaws make the Stanley Cup final again without taking on the 10 million in salary they had to dump.

How quickly everyone forgets about the days where the likes of Trent Klatt and Steve Heinze were thrown at our face as top 6 forwards while mortaging the future away. Now were going on what... 6.. 20 goal scorers? With the likes of Simmonds not too far behind.. Schenn and Loktionov in the pipeline come up...

Look at what Lombardi has built. We have arguably the best group of (young!!)defensmen in the league.. and that goes without mentioning the farm.. we are so deep at D its ridiculous.

Do you also remember the days of Jamie Storr, Steve Passmore, Roman Cechmanek, Barry Brust, Yutaka Fujajdlkjfasdlkjfasdifjsakii, and Erick Ersberg? ... We now have Quick who puts up Vezina caliber numbers and Bernier who is a stud in his own right backing things up.. not to mention Jones and Zatkoff developing in the minors.

Thank your ****ing lucky stars Lombardi stepped in and saved this franchise. We are a real team now. top to bottom.. developmental farm through the big stage.. We are stocked... and as far as our coach.. Murray stepped in and did what no other coach could do for this team in 8 years.. Took them to the playoffs.. and now has them battling for the division lead.. He taught the kids how to play responsiblity and as a collective unit..

So we dont score so many goals per game.. Boo ****ig hoo.. Last time I checked.. its DEFENSE that wins championships.. Remind me how important goal scoring is when all games in the post season end 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 while going into multiple overtimes nonethless..

....Oh how soon you people forget about where we were.. and how far we have come.

Heres to the black and purple demolishing Dallas tonight.


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What new excuse is Dean going to use when Kopitar is in his late 20s and Brown is in his early 30s and they continue on with their inconsistent play?

Ziggy... what the hell man? You know the answer it's not a secret.

Kopitar has had two 30 goal season, an 80 pt season, is on pace for another, and is 11th in the whole NHL in scoring all while being 23 years old. Doughty was third in the Norris and a top pairing d-man for the Canadan Olympic team as a 20 year old. Do you really think that in two years with a 25 year old Kopitar, a 23 year old Doughty, 26 year old JJ, 24 year old Simmonds, 21 year old Clifford, 23 year old Bernier, and a 25 year old Quick we're going to be worse? I didn't even list all the other young guys trying to make the team.

Unless you're the Canucks or the Red Wings you are in no way certain of making the playoffs in the WC this year. It's insanely close. It's the NHL that's just how it's going to be.

I think this year we're still the in "fight to make the playoffs stage and maybe make some noise." In two years the playoffs becomes assumed (baring of course the hockey gods) and we're talking about division wins and going a couple of rounds. I don't think you can plan for the cup. All you can do is build a team that you think is a perennial playoff team, build a team with a core, build a team that can make noise in the playoffs, and hope you get a bit lucky and a bit of a push at the right time.

Honestly, people really need to look at other teams. The Flyers don't have a single pt a game player or even one that is likely to be that. They have a grand total of 3 players with more then 20 (we have 4) goals and have Brian Boucher has their starting goalie. They're winning because they have a whole bunch of lower level guys but just the amount of them allows for a good team. People get a bit to focused on the top line and forget the point of depth.

Unforchenitly for us our 3rd line just didn't show up this year. On paper we have a top-10 offense (regardless of all this stupidity about the TM system). Simmonds had a bad year, Handsuz did as well, and Clifford or Richardson didn't progress as fast as we thought they would. That's 10+ goals less and it's a issue but it's unexpected I think.

Next year, assuming we stay healthy, we'll be much better offensively I just wonder if we can keep the defense...

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I'm awaiting the day where management starts talking about winning Stanley Cups as opposed to collecting assets and boasting one of the youngest teams in the league.

I understand the logistics of accumulating assets and every year Lombardi boasts about his teams getting younger and better every year, but as the GM, what is his answer to getting this team to the next level?

He repeatedly states that the young players have to get better, and there is no disputing that, but, what if they don't get significantly better than what we're seeing now? Then what's going to happen? What new excuse is Dean going to use when Kopitar is in his late 20s and Brown is in his early 30s and they continue on with their inconsistent play?
Hey Ziggy,

No answer for you but here is something to consider maybe.

Do you see us having any holes on the team and if so do you see us as being ready to address them from within?

However we got to where we are now I can see where DL either through his own actions or by what was already in the cupboard has us pretty close to being where he can stop talking about assets and youth and start talking about the cup.

My example would be that we have two top notch goalies and one replacement who so far is proving himself more to be in contention to make it in the NHL soon enough (actually two imo but the second one is a few more years away).

We have our center situation locked up (a little bit of fingers crossed but I am an optomist) and ready for a cup run. Can it be improved? Yep but we have enough to make a run.

We have our D overloaded with depth.

We have character and grit guys lined up and waiting to prove themselves down on the farm.

We have two and a half good enough skilled RW's and should be able to add more from within possibly as early as next season if needed.

Finally, while having Penz is a great thing and I hope that we keep him for a couple more years, we still need to fill the hole on LW. We have a couple of kids who should be able to do so down the road one that might be able to start breaking into the NHL as early as next year but that is a maybe.
My assessment would be that we should be targeting LW's, either via the draft or elsewhere this offseason and then we will be set.

I think that then we should be able to hold DL accountable for our being able to compete for the cup without question.

If you look at our depth we still have that one hole to fill, after that DL will have no more need to continue stockpiling assets and using the need to do so as an excuse for our current successes or failures.

Of course we will always need to do our best to keep the cupboard full but once each area is loaded we should be competing for the cup as a favorite by then imo and that is right around the corner.

I think DL has done an excellent job in comparison to most NHL GM's in as far as building an exceptional team and system so far, my criticism is rather or not we have the right head coach to get us to the next level but I suppose the argument is sort of similar.

Just a though and I am not married to it at all, its just sort of how I see things but that changes almost as often as Murphy changes line combos sometimes.

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Can we stop the Chicago comparisons, please? There is no comparison to be made.

Chicago BOUGHT the player that put them over the top in Marian Hossa. We did not get an ELITE talent by way of free agency. One could argue that Chicago's youth taking them to the conference finals is what allowed them to sign Hossa and put them over the top, but that is where the comparison ends.

EDIT - for clarity - (In that we didn't go to the conference finals upon making it back to the playoffs)

Here's the difference between Chicago and LA. Chicago made free agency splashes that got them a cup, and then blew up the team that won the cup. Chicago got great quick and then disbanded quickly (yes, they are still a very good team, but not a championship team right now). LA will get to championship caliber slower than Chicago, but it'll last longer when we do because the team won't be blown up to get under the cap.

PLEASE....let the Chicago comparisons go. The only one to make is that yes, it is crucial to build through the draft. I know, I'm shocked to learn this as well.

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If Chicago will take them for Toews and Kane, yes.
See, good answer. I'll send an email to Dean today suggesting that.

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Mr Lombardi, do you already have a short list of coaches that you are considering for this offseason?

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honestly, i think the hardest part for most poeple to accept is that we don't know what team we have rigiht now. in the beginning of the year we were smashing elite teams like nobody's business. Now we are struggling just to eek out an OT loss.

If DL is right and we just have a team that needs to mature, than it would behoove us to be patient. If not, than outside help really is the answer. It's hard to say though, I really have no idea what team we have. I really can't wait for Parse to come back, I think he could help us out a smidge.

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For starters, overall, I think Dean Lombardi has done a tremendous job as GM – so far. Not every move has been perfect, but you got to break some eggs if you want to make an omelette. Given the route he took (had to take) he has more or less done what he set out to do … build a franchise from the net out.

I am pretty much sick and tired of the constant talk of “the schedule”, being ahead or behind schedule etc. It’s just silly, there is no fixed schedule you can follow and automatically assume that following that schedule will lead to Stanley Cup Glory. The NHL has 30 teams actively trying to win the cup. To be on top of that pile is a huge task.

The goaltenders are there, with a tremendous set of contracts for the next 2 years. A combined salary under 3 mill is terrific. The defensive group is extremely solid in my book. Doughty and Johnson are stars in the making, though still prone to bone-headed mistakes. Behind a strong top-6 there’s a ton of depth, which will help us down the line I am sure. Either through trades or by emerging to play for the big club.

Now, the scoring lines are still a work in progress. Unlike some of the Cup Contenders from recent years we haven’t been able to draft/acquire enough dynamic scorers. In a nutshell, the Kings weren’t bad enough for long enough when we were bad. The Penguins have been able to build around Crosby/Malkin. The Hawks have Toews/Kane. DL is trying to piece it all together, with solid acquisitions like Penner and Williams. But in my opinion the Kings scoring lines isn’t quite the calibre it needs to be.

I am not sold on the concept that a coaching change would instantly make the Kings better. Do we really have the manpower to play a run-and-gun offensive game ? I doubt it. It’s interesting, I sort of feel the Kings have actually improved since last year. Last year we were talking about not enough 5-on-5 scoring and relying too much on the powerplay. Without looking up the stats - this year we have gotten much improved 5-on-5 play and a disappointing power play. If/when we improve on the power play we should be strong team. Goaltending – good. Defense – good. PK – Good. 5-on-5 – Good. Powerplay – dreadful.

Speaking of, I don’t get what it is Compon is trying to do … splitting up Doughty and JJ … right now we have two separate and equally inept PP groups. We were at our most dangerous a month ago when DD and JJ were manning the 1st unit and Loktionov was roaming around on the 2nd unit. Gave us two different types of looks and both were dangerous.

In order to become a serious contender, we have to get better offensively. Get additional firepower and have more scoring threats. I am not 100% sure that Lombardi is the one to do it (and I still consider myself a Lombardi-supporter). I recognize the value and importance of good “character” guys, but we are spending quite a bit of money on them too. Like Smyth, Handzus, Greene, Stoll. While we are doing that, we can’t really spend the same salary-cap dollars on a top-notch scoring forward. I don’t want to undervalue the importance of these players … they are solid on the ice and I bet they are good guys to “lead by example” for the younger players. But, having 10+ mill of cap-dollars tied up in Handzus and Smyth is an awful lot.

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Can we stop the Chicago comparisons, please? There is no comparison to be made.

Chicago BOUGHT the player that put them over the top in Marian Hossa. We did not get an ELITE talent by way of free agency. One could argue that Chicago's youth taking them to the conference finals is what allowed them to sign Hossa and put them over the top, but that is where the comparison ends.

EDIT - for clarity - (In that we didn't go to the conference finals upon making it back to the playoffs)

Here's the difference between Chicago and LA. Chicago made free agency splashes that got them a cup, and then blew up the team that won the cup. Chicago got great quick and then disbanded quickly (yes, they are still a very good team, but not a championship team right now). LA will get to championship caliber slower than Chicago, but it'll last longer when we do because the team won't be blown up to get under the cap.

PLEASE....let the Chicago comparisons go. The only one to make is that yes, it is crucial to build through the draft. I know, I'm shocked to learn this as well.
Ok.. I agree the Chicago comparisons are a waste of time but how you can say they aren't a championship caliber team when they are currently 4th in the west and the playoffs haven't even started? Sure they lost some good players over the summer but the jury is still out on whether or not they can still contend.

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Ok.. I agree the Chicago comparisons are a waste of time but how you can say they aren't a championship caliber team when they are currently 4th in the west and the playoffs haven't even started? Sure they lost some good players over the summer but the jury is still out on whether or not they can still contend.
I don't feel that they are a championship-quality team right now. They don't have the depth. That said, they are VERY hot right now, but they've also been streaky. Can they win the Cup again this year? Yes. Do I think they will? No.

Right now, I'd place at least 5 teams in front of them as far a cup-caliber goes (PHI, BOS, VAN, DET, SJ) . Yes, I know that's not saying much because I just listed the top 2-3 teams in each conference, but take my work that I put more thought into it that than a cursory glance would suggest.

CHI has less depth than any of those teams but I will admit that they have a lot of SCF experience returning.

I'll amend my point - championship-quality or not, they lost over half their roster because of spending big-$ in free agency (Campbell) and the mis-managing of QOs.

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Kings still need a sniper.

One with some SPEED, please. The cool thing is that we can look to right wings now for that solution.
That increases our odds of finding one and might even reduce acquisition cost. Penner is a great add but we still need that gunslinger. A fast one.

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