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07-27-2005, 04:19 PM
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Roster under the cap, unrealistic ?

Naslund(4.5)-Morrison(2.1)-Bertuzzi(4.75)
D.Sedin(1.75)-H.Sedin(1.75)-Murray(2.4)
Cooke(1)-R.Nidermayer(1)-Linden(1.1)
Ruutu-(.75)-May/Kesler(.75)-McCarty(.90)

S.Niedermayer(3.5)-Salo(1.5)
Jovanovski(4)-Allen(.75)
Ohlund(3.5)-Bieksa(.5)

Cloutier(2)
Auld(.5)

*Bertuzzi's contract is restructured from 5.3m to 4.75m
*Linden's contract is restructred to from 1.5m to 1.1m

I played around and tried to address the holes on our team, taking account of couse Naslund and Bertuzzi are back.

Personally I think it's possible to get a lot of key holes filled for our team to make a good cup run and stay under the cap. Cloutier's the only questionmark, we hope then that the defense or he can keep it together in the playoffs.

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07-27-2005, 04:23 PM
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Contracts cannot be restructured and there is no way in hell Neidermayer plays for 3.5 million. I think that's less than he made the last season played and remember he was awarded 7 million in arbitration for the cancelled season. At least 5 for Scott, closer to 7

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07-27-2005, 04:27 PM
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I thought contracts can be restructured if its the final year ?

And I'm assuming the rumours are true that Scotty and Rob will sign with Vancouver for far below market value if they're together on Vancouver. Isn't NJ offering him the max and he's turning it down ?

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07-27-2005, 04:28 PM
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Dan Cloutier (2 Million)/Alex Auld (500,000)
Ed Jovanovski (4 Million)/Bryan Allen (800,000)
Mattias Ohlund (2.7 Million)/Brent Sopel (900,000)
Sami Salo (900,000)/Kevin Bieksa (400,000)
Wade Brookbank (400,000)
Markus Naslund (5 Million)/Peter Forsberg (5 Million)/Todd Bertuzzi (5 Million)
Andrew Brunette (1.2 Million)/Brendan Morrison (2.7 Million)/Matt Cooke (900,000)
Daniel Sedin (1.2 Million)/Henrik Sedin (1.2 Million)/Trevor Linden (1.5 Million)
Darren McCarty (500,000)/Artem Chubarov (750,000)/Ryan Kesler (750,000)
Tyler Bouck (400,000)/Jason King (400,000)
Total: 39 Million

Edit: I changed McCarty to May, but I have now switched them back. McCarty may come that cheap because of the money he is getting from Detroit. If not, sign May for the same money.


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07-27-2005, 04:31 PM
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Naslund(4.5)-Morrison(2.1)-Bertuzzi(4.75)
D.Sedin(1.75)-H.Sedin(1.75)-Murray(2.4)
Cooke(1)-R.Nidermayer(1)-Linden(1.1)
Ruutu-(.75)-May/Kesler(.75)-McCarty(.90)

S.Niedermayer(3.5)-Salo(1.5)
Jovanovski(4)-Allen(.75)
Ohlund(3.5)-Bieksa(.5)

Cloutier(2)
Auld(.5)
Naslund (5.5) Morrison (2.5) Bertuzzi (5.5)
Sedin (1.75) sedin (1.75) Kariya(2.5)
Cooke (1) Kesler(0.75) Linden (1.5)
Bouck(0.5) Chubarov (0.75) Ruutu (0.75)

Ohlund (3.5) Sopel (1.5)
Jovo (4) salo(1.5)
Allen (0.75) BOMBARDIR (0.8)

Belfour/Joseph (2.5 to 3)
Auld (0.5)

=38.3 million.. Leaves some room for a late season aquisition.

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Dan Cloutier (2 Million)/Alex Auld (500,000)
Ed Jovanovski (4 Million)/Bryan Allen (800,000)
Mattias Ohlund (2.7 Million)/Brent Sopel (900,000)
Sami Salo (900,000)/Kevin Bieksa (400,000)
Wade Brookbank (400,000)
Markus Naslund (5 Million)/Peter Forsberg (5 Million)/Todd Bertuzzi (5 Million)
Andrew Brunette (1.2 Million)/Brendan Morrison (2.7 Million)/Matt Cooke (900,000)
Daniel Sedin (1.2 Million)/Henrik Sedin (1.2 Million)/Trevor Linden (1.3 Million)
Darren McCarty (700,000)/Artem Chubarov (750,000)/Ryan Kesler (750,000)
Tyler Bouck (400,000)/Jason King (400,000)
Total: 39 Million
Forsberg isn't going to Vancouver for 5M

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Forsberg isn't going to Vancouver for 5M
I think Naslund and Forsberg will package themselves for 10 million. Any more and they porbably won't be able to play together.

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07-27-2005, 04:41 PM
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Contracts cannot be restructured and there is no way in hell Neidermayer plays for 3.5 million. I think that's less than he made the last season played and remember he was awarded 7 million in arbitration for the cancelled season. At least 5 for Scott, closer to 7
they can only be restructured by adding future years. The cost against a salary cap depends on the average of a deal, not just the year - so if for example we can Linden a 2 yr extension at $500K a year, then his salary against the cap would end up being $833K/yr ($1.5+$1/3)... or Bert's contract to be restructred, he'd have to be given extending deals at less than what he's making now as well, which I doubt neither side wants to sign at this point.

Rob Niedermayer is also a RFA, and Anahiem has yet to not qualify him (although they might).

Morrison needs at least $2.7mill on a qualifier, or he's a UFA.

I don't think Murray has shown any interest in Vancouver, and he was apparently looking for a $5mill deal prior to the lockout.. I can only assume that he'll try and sign with a club that can give him 1st line money (and he should be able to find one, considering he's probably a top 5 RW available this offseason).

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OH BTW if some of you are wondering where Malik and Cloutier are on my roster... I traded them to Carolina for their third overal pick.

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Dan Cloutier (2 Million)/Alex Auld (500,000)
Ed Jovanovski (4 Million)/Bryan Allen (800,000)
Mattias Ohlund (2.7 Million)/Brent Sopel (900,000)
Sami Salo (900,000)/Kevin Bieksa (400,000)
Wade Brookbank (400,000)
Markus Naslund (5 Million)/Peter Forsberg (5 Million)/Todd Bertuzzi (5 Million)
Andrew Brunette (1.2 Million)/Brendan Morrison (2.7 Million)/Matt Cooke (900,000)
Daniel Sedin (1.2 Million)/Henrik Sedin (1.2 Million)/Trevor Linden (1.5 Million)
Brad May (500,000)/Artem Chubarov (750,000)/Ryan Kesler (750,000)
Tyler Bouck (400,000)/Jason King (400,000)
Total: 39 Million
I like this...I like this a lot.

So, if I read this right, Canucks do not qualify Ruttuu or Malik. Correct?

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OH BTW if some of you are wondering where Malik and Cloutier are on my roster... I traded them to Carolina for their third overal pick.


wonder if Rutherford is able to sit down with all the pain he must be in!

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I like this...I like this a lot.

So, if I read this right, Canucks do not qualify Ruttuu or Malik. Correct?
They don't qualify Malik and trade Ruutu to Chicago.

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They don't qualify Malik and trade Ruutu to Chicago.
What do we get for Ruutu? What do we get???

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What do we get for Ruutu? What do we get???
The Canucks either move up to 7 (along with our 10th overall) in the draft and guarentee themselves Skille or perhaps catch a falling Kopitar. The other option is to deal him for a prospect like Matt Ellison or James Wisniewski, but hopefully Colin Fraser.


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Fans should just wait until the restricted free agents are signed or not. Then you get a better idea of how much space your working with...

 
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We either move up to 7 in the draft and guarentee ourselves Skille or perhaps catch a falling Kopitar. The other option is to deal him for a prospect like Matt Ellison or James Wisniewski, but hopefully Colin Fraser.
Why aim so low? Why not just trade Malik for the first overall pick?

Seriously, HF needs to come up with an option to ignore anybody who's username follows the formula 'playername'+number.

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Why aim so low? Why not just trade Malik for the first overall pick?

Seriously, HF needs to come up with an option to ignore anybody who's username follows the formula 'playername'+number.
I edited my post. What I meant was trade the 10th overall pick and Jarkko Ruutu for the seventh overall pick. Not Ruutu for the seventh overall pick. Just so you know, I am considering changing my username. Does anybody know how to do this?

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I edited my post. What I meant was trade the 10th overall pick and Jarkko Ruutu for the seventh overall pick. Not Ruutu for the seventh overall pick. Just so you know, I am considering changing my username. Does anybody know how to do this?
Players that are garbage to us are garbage to other teams.

You can't package up a group of players we don't like and expect to get anything for them. Every team has players like Jarko Ruutu and Malik, they aren't going to trade down in the draft for a player of that calibre.

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You can't package up a group of players we don't like and expect to get anything for them. Every team has players like Jarko Ruutu and Malik, they aren't going to trade down in the draft for a player of that calibre.
I most cases that is true except for Chicago. Chicago wants Ruutu because it may encourage Tuomo to stay they longer as well as the fact they can still get Price or Zagrapan, the two players they probably want, at number 10. I would try to trade Ruutu to Chicago, but if not, just let him go

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The cost against a salary cap depends on the average of a deal, not just the year
Is this only in the case of a restructured contract, or does it also hold when a new deal is negotiated?

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Is this only in the case of a restructured contract, or does it also hold when a new deal is negotiated?
from everything I've heard so far, it's how all deals will be now. To not allow teams to front load or back load contracts for cap purposes, I'm guessing.

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Naslund (4) - Forsberg (3) - Bertuzzi (5)

Kariya (1) - Morrison (2) - Kesler (750k)

Sedin (1.25) - Sedin (1.25) - Cooke (750k)

Rutuu (500k) - Chubarov (750k) - Linden (1.5)

Neidermayer (4) - Jovanovski (4)

Sopel (1) - Ohlund (3)

Salo (1.5) - Allen (750k)

Cloutier (2)
Auld (0.5)

Bieska (0.5)

Total = 39 million

Most highly improbable and also likely violated some rules, but what the heck.

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Naslund (4) - Forsberg (3) - Bertuzzi (5)

Kariya (1) - Morrison (2) - Kesler (750k)

Sedin (1.25) - Sedin (1.25) - Cooke (750k)

Rutuu (500k) - Chubarov (750k) - Linden (1.5)

Neidermayer (4) - Jovanovski (4)

Sopel (1) - Ohlund (3)

Salo (1.5) - Allen (750k)

Cloutier (2)
Auld (0.5)

Bieska (0.5)

Total = 39 million

Most highly improbable and also likely violated some rules, but what the heck.
Uh oh, you're starting to think like a leafs fan. Maybe it's contagious?

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07-27-2005, 09:18 PM
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I know I know.

But if the stars align you never know!

Naslund and Forsberg decide to package themselves at a volume deal. Naslund has never really been about the money and Forsberg has made astronomical amounts of cash the last couple years...so maybe they look at what kind of team they can be playing for and voila!

Kariya has taken a one mill deal before, perhaps he does it again to play at home and play on a phenomenal team?

Neidermayer wants to play near home and has stated he'd come at a discounted rate to certain teams...but how discounted? 4 mill?

The rest of the team looks at what additions can be had, go holy s@#t, then proceed with the decision to stay status quo or take a marginal pay cut.

......alright, the chances are 100 to 1, but don't ruin the moment!

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