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07-27-2005, 10:17 PM
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Cagliano

What do you guys know about him?
Would he be a good pick-up. I know he is undersized and a good skater but with the rule changes would he be a good pickup?

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What do you guys know about him?
Would he be a good pick-up. I know he is undersized and a good skater but with the rule changes would he be a good pickup?

Is he UFA or draftable???

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If he fell into the 2nd, then I'd really look at him, but he really doesn't do it for me in the first round. If the game really opens up THAT much, then it would def help the chances of a player like that...

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07-27-2005, 10:42 PM
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That's Andrew Cogliano

He is ranked 63rd amongst North American Skaters (ISS rankings) He is ranked ahead of Steve Downie who some people have been talking about on this board.

Here is his line:

COGLIANO, ANDREW OPJRA ST. MICHAEL'S JR A 14-Jun-87 5' 9.5" 178 C L 49 36 66 102 33
let me translate:
Center
Shoots Left
49 Games
36 goals
66 assists
102 points
33 PIMS

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That's Andrew Cogliano

He is ranked 63rd amongst North American Skaters (ISS rankings) He is ranked ahead of Steve Downie who some people have been talking about on this board.

Here is his line:

COGLIANO, ANDREW OPJRA ST. MICHAEL'S JR A 14-Jun-87 5' 9.5" 178 C L 49 36 66 102 33
let me translate:
Center
Shoots Left
49 Games
36 goals
66 assists
102 points
33 PIMS
I was reading about him yesterday, instead of going up to Major Midget this season he stayed in a lower level league (which would explain the high point totals). He was on the U-18 World Cup team last aug and was one of the..if not the best player on the team in the tournament.I'd definitely look at him to possibly be drafted in the 2nd round. RedLine rated him #18 and projects him to be a speedy top line scorer.

Cogliano over Downie by a mile for me.

BTW TSN also rated him #18 in the draft.

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Cogliano's gonna be a hell of a college player. No doubt about that. That said, I don't think his game will translate well to the NHL, even the "new" NHL. I'd pass. I might be tempted in the 2nd, but only if several other players were off the board first. I have Cogliano rated in the 50s on my ranking.

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07-28-2005, 08:21 AM
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While definetly one of the fastest skaters in the draft, he is TINY. Open up the game all you want, but midgets will still have a hard time.

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07-28-2005, 08:49 AM
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While definetly one of the fastest skaters in the draft, he is TINY. Open up the game all you want, but midgets will still have a hard time.
True...he is about the size of Petr Prucha but you don't hear anyone complaining about drafting him.

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he is about the size of Petr Prucha but you don't hear anyone complaining about drafting him.
You have not been on this board enough. There are PLENTY of debates regarding Prucha.

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True...he is about the size of Petr Prucha but you don't hear anyone complaining about drafting him.

No one may complaining about drafting him. But plenty of us doubt whether he will ever be an NHL player.

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07-28-2005, 09:04 AM
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Hey Fleury is 5'7". Kariya is 5'10". Hey Brian Leetch was 5'11" 185lb when he was drafted.

82GP

38goals
56assists
94 points
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By the way those are Martin St. Louis stats. He's 5'9" 180. Please don't tell me that you would not want him on your team.

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Hey Fleury is 5'7". Kariya is 5'10". Hey Brian Leetch was 5'11" 185lb when he was drafted.

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By the way those are Martin St. Louis stats. He's 5'9" 180. Please don't tell me that you would not want him on your team.

Are there more players over 5'10 or under 5'10 in the NHL?

How many players like Theo Fleury and Marty St Louis are out there?

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True...he is about the size of Petr Prucha but you don't hear anyone complaining about drafting him.
If the Rangers draft Cogliano in the 8th Round, like they did with Prucha, I doubt you will hear many complaints.

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07-28-2005, 09:08 AM
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Are there more players over 5'10 or under 5'10 in the NHL?

How many players like Theo Fleury and Marty St Louis are out there?
How many like Joe Thorton and Lindros (b/c before concussions) are there

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I don't just mean height and weight. I am talking about skill set. I sure the average height for NHL players is about 6'0" and weight about 195lb.

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07-28-2005, 09:33 AM
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I don't just mean height and weight. I am talking about skill set.
But you cannot seperate the two. The fact remains that there is a finite amount of the St. Louis', Fleurys, Ginotas, Yorks & Kariyas of the world. The chances of someone as small as Cogliano or Prucha making it are, well....small.

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07-28-2005, 09:45 AM
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So what would you guys think of doing this....

16. Ryan O'Marra
40. Andrew Cogliano/Joe Finley
41. Sasha Pokoluk
45. Anton Skorykh

We pick up either 2 centres who could potentially become a number 1, a LW, and D or 2 D, 1 C, and a LW. I get the impression that if Cogliano can overcome the size difficulties he could be very good. O'Marra well if he drops he's a potentially very good centre. Joe Finley- well theres a whole thread on him. Sasha Pokuluk is 6"5 very good skater, offensive as well. Anton Skorykh seems like a good project as unlke fellow russian bigmen Kvasha, and Antropov he is agile and can skate.

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07-28-2005, 09:56 AM
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But you cannot seperate the two. The fact remains that there is a finite amount of the St. Louis', Fleurys, Ginotas, Yorks & Kariyas of the world. The chances of someone as small as Cogliano or Prucha making it are, well....small.
My point was we should not dismiss a player just because of his size nor should a player be drafted JUST because of his size.

The combination of size and skill is just as rare as a player of Gionta's size making it.

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My point was we should not dismiss a player just because of his size nor should a player be drafted JUST because of his size.
No, but you also cannot ignore the facts. And the facts are that players that small rarely make it.

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No, but you also cannot ignore the facts. And the facts are that players that small rarely make it.
I'm not going to lie. You make excellent points.

For every Joe Thorton there's a Jason Bonsignore (sp?)

For every Martin St. Louis there's a __________(fill in blank)

It's just that the latter happens more often.

Obviously I would not waste a 1st or high 2nd round pick on him. (Cogliano) But if he fell into the 3rd or 4th round then maybe.

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