ATD Chat Room II (all non-ATD topics here)

[DoMakc]

Originally Posted by MadArcand

Paccioretti has just played the puck. Chara was late, but it was nowhere near the 'he was nowhere near the puck' nonsense that Habs fans try to paint it as. He also didn't hit his head, he hit his shoulder, angling Paccioretti over the boards. Had Paccioretti not kept skating ahead, he wouldn't have hit his head into the construction.

It was interference with unfortunate result, but the fault for the result lies mostly in whichever imbecile designed the boards (useless, dangerous construction? sure, why not!).

Interference is never an unfortune result, it's always intentional. Chara wasn't "finishing his check", he started his check when Pacioretty already got rid of the puck. Chara played all his career in Northeastern division and played more than enough games to know how boards are constructed. And he clearly directed Pacioretty's head with his hand. There is nothing unfortunal on this hit, besides th results.

[jkrx]

Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan

Powe had the puck, Pacioretty did not.

A simple rub out by Chara is a 2 minute penalty, when he puts his hand/forearm up into Pacioretty's head and drives it into the glass/stanchion it goes from a 2 minute penalty to a 5 and a suspendable offense.

He has absolutely no contact to the head of Pacioretty. If you don't know what contact to the head while driving your opponent into the boards is, you should watch Suttons nasty hit on Tucker or Sundin on Bourque.

Powe has his back turned for a good few seconds there. It's pretty standard that no one should level you from behind in that case. So I don't know how you get that to "Powe needs to be smarter".

[John Flyers Fan]

Originally Posted by jkrx

He has absolutely no contact to the head of Pacioretty. If you don't know what contact to the head while driving your opponent into the boards is, you should watch Suttons nasty hit on Tucker or Sundin on Bourque.

Did he elbow him to the head? No he didn't. Did he use his hand/forearm to ride his shoulder/neck/head into the stanchion? Absolutely

Originally Posted by jkrx

Powe has his back turned for a good few seconds there. It's pretty standard that no one should level you from behind in that case. So I don't know how you get that to "Powe needs to be smarter".

Nobody should ever hit you from behind. Nobody should ever high stick you or elbow you to the head either, but it happens.

Players need to protect themselves at all times. Too many players now set up like Powe did, because they know that you shouldn't get hit from behind and it gives the defender no real options. If he hits you from behind it's a penalty, if he grabs you it's a penalty, if he puts his stick between your legs to try and play the puck it will likely be a penalty.

Players need to take some responsibility of their own as well. Turning your back to the play is the same thing as skating with your head down, admiring your pass etc. A player should NEVER, EVER leave himself in that vulnerable of a position.

[Dreakmur]

Originally Posted by DoMakc

And he clearly directed Pacioretty's head with his hand.

His hand was not on his head. You're just making stuff up now...

[Dreakmur]

Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan

Players need to take some responsibility of their own as well. Turning your back to the play is the same thing as skating with your head down, admiring your pass etc. A player should NEVER, EVER leave himself in that vulnerable of a position.

Except for Pacioretty?

[DoMakc]

Originally Posted by Dreakmur

His hand was not on his head. You're just making stuff up now...

it's enough to direct/hold his shoulder to control Pacioretty's upper body, so he has no other chance as to hit that turnbuckle with his head:

[John Flyers Fan]

Originally Posted by Dreakmur

Except for Pacioretty?

It's not even close to being the same thing.

[Jafar]

Pacioretty said about the incident something like: It's disgusting.His arm/hand were on my head and I couldn't defend myself.

Poor guy.

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Originally Posted by MadArcand

It was interference with unfortunate result, but the fault for the result lies mostly in whichever imbecile designed the boards (useless, dangerous construction? sure, why not!).

I agree. It also lies with the Neanderthals in charge of the NHL who view protecting players safety as somehow unmanly. Like, why the hell are shoulder pads still constructed like body armor? The ridiculously designed boards here are just one more example of something that could have been avoided if the safety of players ever crossed anyone's mind.

[Dreakmur]

Originally Posted by DoMakc

it's enough to direct/hold his shoulder to control Pacioretty's upper body, so he has no other chance as to hit that turnbuckle with his head:

Even from that rediculous angle, you can see his hand did not drive his head into the stansion.

[Dreakmur]

Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan

It's not even close to being the same thing.

How is it different?

You say Chara should know the stansion is there because he's played in Montreal many times. Shouldn't Pacioretty be even more aware that it is there?

Sometimes you just need to swallow your pride and bail out.


Pacioretty put himself on the edge of a cliff, and Chara nudged him over the edge.

[DoMakc]

Originally Posted by Dreakmur

Even from that rediculous angle, you can see his hand did not drive his head into the stansion.

Chara didn't need to drive Pacioretty's head with his hand to make sure he hits that turnbuckle with his head.