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03-10-2011, 03:04 PM
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Bottom line is Torts isn't going anywhere. Next year Drury will be gone and that ridiculous amount of cap space for 0 goals will be reallocated towards actual production.

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03-10-2011, 03:08 PM
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I look around the league and ask, are there any other coaches that blame bad contracts and injuries when they fail? Just curious......

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In the end, I would be very surprised to see Torts let go. Sather has bought into the youth movement and he seems comfortable with Torts leading/teaching the young kids. It also would be an odd move given that Richards could be floating out there as an UFA this summer and is known to really like Torts as a coach.

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I look around the league and ask, are there any other coaches that blame bad contracts and injuries when they fail? Just curious......
Not with the camera rolling..

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I look around the league and ask, are there any other coaches that blame bad contracts and injuries when they fail? Just curious......
So your position is that we have sufficient skill to be a playoff contender but the team is simply not living up to those expectations because of the coach?

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So your position is that we have sufficient skill to be a playoff contender but the team is simply not living up to those expectations because of the coach?
Exactly always the case. Plus good G, that is must have. Should we have a good coach, we could have made a lot of noise in those 7 non-playoff years. Geese, if we could only have had Renney, although he would not be the best, we would have been in second round evey other year.

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So your position is that we have sufficient skill to be a playoff contender but the team is simply not living up to those expectations because of the coach?
You can't discount circumstance. The playoff spot was ours for the taking, even with bad contracts and injury excuses.

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In the end, I would be very surprised to see Torts let go. Sather has bought into the youth movement and he seems comfortable with Torts leading/teaching the young kids. It also would be an odd move given that Richards could be floating out there as an UFA this summer and is known to really like Torts as a coach.
Wrong. Torts was not brought in to teach. Youth movement is Sather's plan B, when he realized that Torts failed to deliver on what he was actually brought for: get us deep in playoffs right away.

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Tortorella isn't getting fired. Not happening.
The question was not whether he will be fired, but whether he should be canned...

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Jagr putting in 100+ pts kinda helped. Relegating it to the coach seems like it really discounts way too much
Last year Gaborik was far off Jagr? Not by much. Is that why we missed?

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Wrong. Torts was not brought in to teach. Youth movement is Sather's plan B, when he realized that Torts failed to deliver on what he was actually brought for: get us deep in playoffs right away.
He was brought in to stop the bleeding of a team that was getting outplayed and falling rapidly in the standings...not make it some kind of overnight cup contender.

For Christsake 3 of the team's top 4 point scorers were gone after that season. What does that tell you about the GM's faith in that squad?

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He was brought in to stop the bleeding of a team that was getting outplayed and falling rapidly in the standings...not make it some kind of overnight cup contender.
Then he has to use his abilities right about NOW. Stop the bleeding, at the moment it is there big time. If he does, keep him. If not, not.

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I look around the league and ask, are there any other coaches that blame bad contracts and injuries when they fail? Just curious......
Did Tortorella join this discussion and blame bad contracts and injures? Because I believe this is just a bunch of fans' opinions on what has contributed to our team's present standing.

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Torts doesn't use excuses, he calls it like it is. I doubt he gets fired this year, as he's in a D'Antoni-like spot. Next year he'll need to make the playoffs though.

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Torts doesn't use excuses, he calls it like it is. I doubt he gets fired this year, as he's in a D'Antoni-like spot. Next year he'll need to make the playoffs though.
if the team takes a step back next year i'll be calling for his head too, pretty much regardless of the injury or contract situation

but so far i completely support him and actually think he's done a fantastic job as the coach of this team

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not a chance on gods green earth he gets fired...well wait strike that there is still 13 games left he could do something crazy to change that so ill agree its highly unlikely. Should he be fired? i dont think so and i cant stand the guy.

He's made drastic improvements from last season but he still has to figure out a way to get his team to show up for the first half of games on a consistant basis. Yes its great that they dont give up and fight back but they shouldnt be in that position to begin with. Hopefully that issue can be resolved with the acquisition of some veteran pieces and having a REAL captain. All things considered, he deserves another year to show progress with the youth transition.

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Typical impatient NY fans. Firing Renney really made a difference huh? That worked, oh wait we missed the playoffs the next season and lost in the first round after we fired him.
Very debatable that we even make the playoffs that season if Renney isn't fired. The team was in a major tailspin, Torts turned it around and we almost stunned a heavily favored Caps team. I'm no fan of the water bottle theatrics, but other than that he did a great job.

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Very debatable that we even make the playoffs that season if Renney isn't fired. The team was in a major tailspin, Torts turned it around and we almost stunned a heavily favored Caps team. I'm no fan of the water bottle theatrics, but other than that he did a great job.
Which we will do this year as well

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Exactly always the case. Plus good G, that is must have. Should we have a good coach, we could have made a lot of noise in those 7 non-playoff years. Geese, if we could only have had Renney, although he would not be the best, we would have been in second round evey other year.
and a rejuvenated Jagr, jones'n over the new NHL. He was spoiled and didn't get his way in Washington. But hey, that Renney is a nice guy. He let Jagr play however he wanted too with all of his Czech buddies so he would never feel home sick like he did with the Pens.

Yea, It was fun having arguably the best right winger in the history of the game for only a couple of years until inevitably, he got too old. Moreover, he was kept happy because as I said, Renney is a hell of nice guy. So nice, that he didn't employ his stingy defensive system (yet) like the coach in Washington had the balls to play despite what Jagr wanted.

He was a stubborn coach who wouldn't give in to Jagr's demands ("they didn't utilize my tools there" Jagr explained). Renney did (although I'm sure he knew it would only last short term), and than waited until later, when Jagr, Straka, and other aging stars were gone before implementing the same system Jagr grudgingly played under while in Washington. So we had a couple of 2nd round exits for a few years until Jagr had nothing left.

Renney and Jagr did keep us mediocre while the stubborn staff in Washington took a different route, sacrificing having too possibly go through one or two poor seasons (without an aging Jagr who only had 2 or 3 good years left and he, Straka, and Nylander were certainly not the type players you're looking to build a team around for the betterment of the franchise's future) before drafting Backstrom and Ovechkin.

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Torts doesn't use excuses, he calls it like it is. I doubt he gets fired this year, as he's in a D'Antoni-like spot. Next year he'll need to make the playoffs though.
Next year - NYR fans favorite year of them all !

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Very debatable that we even make the playoffs that season if Renney isn't fired. The team was in a major tailspin, Torts turned it around and we almost stunned a heavily favored Caps team. I'm no fan of the water bottle theatrics, but other than that he did a great job.
Revisionist history. Great job is an overstatement, especially considering Torts was afforded the two things Renney kept saying he needed that year(while he was 8 wins over .500) - size down the middle and another veteran Dman.

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and a rejuvenated Jagr, jones'n over the new NHL. He was spoiled and didn't get his way in Washington. But hey, that Renney is a nice guy. He let Jagr play however he wanted too with all of his Czech buddies so he would never feel home sick like he did with the Pens.

Yea, It was fun having arguably the best right winger in the history of the game for only a couple of years until inevitably, he got too old. Moreover, he was kept happy because as I said, Renney is a hell of nice guy. So nice, that he didn't employ his stingy defensive system (yet) like the coach in Washington had the balls to play despite what Jagr wanted.

He was a stubborn coach who wouldn't give in to Jagr's demands ("they didn't utilize my tools there" Jagr explained). Renney did (although I'm sure he knew it would only last short term), and than waited until later, when Jagr, Straka, and other aging stars were gone before implementing the same system Jagr grudgingly played under while in Washington. So we had a couple of 2nd round exits for a few years until Jagr had nothing left.

Renney and Jagr did keep us mediocre while the stubborn staff in Washington took a different route, sacrificing having too possibly go through one or two poor seasons (without an aging Jagr who only had 2 or 3 good years left and he, Straka, and Nylander were certainly not the type players you're looking to build a team around for the betterment of the franchise's future) before drafting Backstrom and Ovechkin.
More revisionist history.

Sather kept us mediocre, how this is not understood by now is just lunacy.

Renney, like Torts, tried to win with what he had, and at the same time afford the right time and space to all the kids making a difference on TODAYS team. He didn't perform miracles, but you make it seem like his tenure here was a waste, when in fact it was exactly what the franchise needed. And THAT is what some fans don't understand, nor have patience for, when its about building a winner.

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The team could lose every game here on out, and I still don't think Torts would get fired.

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The team could lose every game here on out, and I still don't think Torts would get fired.
Please read post #334. It isn't far away.

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not a chance on gods green earth he gets fired...well wait strike that there is still 13 games left he could do something crazy to change that so ill agree its highly unlikely. Should he be fired? i dont think so and i cant stand the guy.

He's made drastic improvements from last season but he still has to figure out a way to get his team to show up for the first half of games on a consistant basis. Yes its great that they dont give up and fight back but they shouldnt be in that position to begin with. Hopefully that issue can be resolved with the acquisition of some veteran pieces and having a REAL captain. All things considered, he deserves another year to show progress with the youth transition.
agree that the slow starts have been an issue...iirc we had the same issues under Renney as well.

Torts is here another year.

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Revisionist history. Great job is an overstatement, especially considering Torts was afforded the two things Renney kept saying he needed that year(while he was 8 wins over .500) - size down the middle and another veteran Dman.



More revisionist history.

Sather kept us mediocre, how this is not understood by now is just lunacy.

Renney, like Torts, tried to win with what he had, and at the same time afford the right time and space to all the kids making a difference on TODAYS team. He didn't perform miracles, but you make it seem like his tenure here was a waste, when in fact it was exactly what the franchise needed. And THAT is what some fans don't understand, nor have patience for, when its about building a winner.
It's exactly my point. This team is mediocre now and it's Sather's doing. So why are we talking about potentially firing "Torts," when we all agree the team is where it is because of Sather. Shouldn't this be a "if we don't make the playoffs, Sather should be fired."

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Revisionist history. Great job is an overstatement, especially considering Torts was afforded the two things Renney kept saying he needed that year(while he was 8 wins over .500) - size down the middle and another veteran Dman.



More revisionist history.

Sather kept us mediocre, how this is not understood by now is just lunacy.

Renney, like Torts, tried to win with what he had, and at the same time afford the right time and space to all the kids making a difference on TODAYS team. He didn't perform miracles, but you make it seem like his tenure here was a waste, when in fact it was exactly what the franchise needed. And THAT is what some fans don't understand, nor have patience for, when its about building a winner.
It's apparently not, hence these kinds of threads pointing fingers at the wrong person. Not unless people are bored of complaining about Sather. It's time to try someone else until a young team puts it together.

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