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03-11-2011, 06:46 AM
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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...ated-hospitals

This is happening all over Canada.

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Ya those are private clinics. The lack of MRIs, and waiting times which are idiotic and getting worse, over crowded hospitals with people waiting for beds out in the halls, hospitals which are old and falling apart (Queensway Carleton) simply are not a problem in the states. The cancer treatments being offered down there are not available anywhere else, due to the fact they do far more research than us.

Any ranking that puts the quality of US care above Canada is due to the fact that ours is covered, not because it is of comparable overall quality.
Go to a hospital in poor area of the U.S., read about it beofre you just say every hospital in the U.S. is state of the art. Many many hospitals in every major city in the U.S. Canadians would probably consider third world, the U.S. health care system is not just one thing, like everyhting else in the U.S. it it reflects economic status, if you are rich, you're hospital is state of the art, if you are poor or working class you are getting second rate care by doctors who have limited resources and are wroking under horrible conditions in a decrepid hospital.

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Go to a hospital in poor area of the U.S., read about it beofre you just say every hospital in the U.S. is state of the art. Many many hospitals in every major city in the U.S. Canadians would probably consider third world, the U.S. health care system is not just one thing, like everyhting else in the U.S. it it reflects economic status, if you are rich, you're hospital is state of the art, if you are poor or working class you are getting second rate care by doctors who have limited resources and are wroking under horrible conditions in a decrepid hospital.
Oh yeah that is right, and we have no choice over our decrepit hospitals that we frequent as they are all being run into the ground, and they do.

Like I said, 85% of people have coverage.

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03-11-2011, 06:58 AM
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Again its not much of a issue in the states because there is not a massive demand and strain on the system as there is in canada.As with the queens way there are up dating and expanding it when its done from my under standing it will be double the size it is now aslo don't forget there building the orleans health hub in the east end which should take the demand off the civic etc.Aslo in the states the hospitals make a fair amount of cash so its easier for them to keep there hospitals etc updates and state of the art.The american system is not the best in the world and no its not much ebtetr then canada the best system in the world is in the uk and france bar none.

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personally, I'd rather die in the ER waiting room than go to a catholic-run hospital.

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Thanks for clearing up the blood test thing. I thought it was a little unusual for something so simple to take so long. Again, Im not saying your system is BAD, its really just a matter of what you want/prefer.

I had a lady from Sweden transfer over to a place I worked a few years ago. She came for training, and then was going to head back and train her co workers in Sweden. When she was here she commented on the fact that she couldn't believe how we had to pay for so many services that were simply free in Sweden. When I told her that back in Sweden she gets taxed more than twice as much as me, she just shrugged and said "So, I dont mind. Its much easier not to have to worry about paying for all these things. I like it better that way."

So everyone has their preference.

That being said, and not to get into a completely different topic, but entitlement spending in all countries in the West are getting out of control regardless, but it is especially hitting harder those with more socialist style systems with more entitlements. In order for systems like that to support themselves their needs to be adequate population growth so there is a constant stream of young people entering the work force and paying taxes to support said entitlements. Like most Western countries, Canada's natural birthrate is below 2.1 (which is the minimum to sustain current population levels). This means that in order to make up for the difference, countries have to bring in immigrant workers.

Europe has had to do this for decades, and you are seeing the effects of this now with enormous racial/religious tension there, let alone the demographics of Europe changing at an alarming rate. In order to control the changing demographics and hold on to national identities, European countries have started peeling back the entitlements, and this includes working on a way to end free health care because it is simply unsustainable.

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03-11-2011, 12:11 PM
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Thanks for clearing up the blood test thing. I thought it was a little unusual for something so simple to take so long. Again, Im not saying your system is BAD, its really just a matter of what you want/prefer.

I had a lady from Sweden transfer over to a place I worked a few years ago. She came for training, and then was going to head back and train her co workers in Sweden. When she was here she commented on the fact that she couldn't believe how we had to pay for so many services that were simply free in Sweden. When I told her that back in Sweden she gets taxed more than twice as much as me, she just shrugged and said "So, I dont mind. Its much easier not to have to worry about paying for all these things. I like it better that way."

So everyone has their preference.

That being said, and not to get into a completely different topic, but entitlement spending in all countries in the West are getting out of control regardless, but it is especially hitting harder those with more socialist style systems with more entitlements. In order for systems like that to support themselves their needs to be adequate population growth so there is a constant stream of young people entering the work force and paying taxes to support said entitlements. Like most Western countries, Canada's natural birthrate is below 2.1 (which is the minimum to sustain current population levels). This means that in order to make up for the difference, countries have to bring in immigrant workers.

Europe has had to do this for decades, and you are seeing the effects of this now with enormous racial/religious tension there, let alone the demographics of Europe changing at an alarming rate. In order to control the changing demographics and hold on to national identities, European countries have started peeling back the entitlements, and this includes working on a way to end free health care because it is simply unsustainable.
As with immigrant workers sure for some things there needed but at the same time the big issue is we have many people out of work so if we just say ya bring in immergrant workers in some cases your going to crease a very big social issues.Its one thing if there were not enough people to fill the jobs then you have to do something to fill the job but the probleams is the lack of jobs and as i said if your bring in immergrant workers now and say screw hertiage canadians your going to create such a a mess its going to take years to clean up.Canada right now has alot of issues you have people that abuse the immergration policy and with refugess if you land on the canadian shores and claim status you get more health benifits then hertiage canadians which is upsetting alot of people thats just one of amny issues in canada.The health care is not free its funded via taxes and a tax premium if you make i beleave its over $50 grand you have to pay a health premium this will likely get worse over time.As with the pooulation there are other ways then mass immergration to get it up such as having a baby bonous and cheap day care this would see canadas pop sky rocket.Again this is not about anti immergartion this is about making canada this best it can and yes some immergration is needed not as much as 100 many people as some are pushing for.

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03-11-2011, 12:37 PM
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http://www.ksat.com/news/26827797/detail.html
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-01/u...enter?_s=PM:US

This is happening all over America.

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Also, here is a video by Steven Crowder (a Canadian living in the USA) who goes back to Canada to do an uncover video of what its like to get treatment if your sick or injured.

In the video he goes with his friend to a clinic to get a blood test. The nurse tells him they don't do it at the clinic and to call someplace and get a family doctor, he said he has been trying for three months already and she replies that it could take him several years to get a doctor!!!

She finally suggests that he go to a pay facility where he can get it done for $900.

This to me is insane. You can call a blood lab in the morning and get an appointment that afternoon for a blood test. If you need a family doctor, pick one out of the phone book and call. You will have an appointment the next day, regardless if you have insurance or not.

Maybe he should try to wiretap the phones of some Democratic Senators next!

And in Canada you can go to a blood lab, ask for a test and get it probably all within the same day. So the guy in the video is obviously a liar.

I've had numerous blood tests done and I never had to get an OK from my family doctor.

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"After a preliminary investigation, the corporation said it suspended or terminated six employees, "including staff involved with the direct care of the patient as well as managers of security and clinical services," the statement said."

Would they be terminated in Canada, hell no, however a heart felt apology would be issued immediately.

"A new, 10-story tower on the hospital's campus is currently under construction, which will double the current ER's capacity, Kirkman said."

Would they build a new hospital in Canada? Nope no money sorry!
Good try though.

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"After a preliminary investigation, the corporation said it suspended or terminated six employees, "including staff involved with the direct care of the patient as well as managers of security and clinical services," the statement said."

Would they be terminated in Canada, hell no, however a heart felt apology would be issued immediately.

"A new, 10-story tower on the hospital's campus is currently under construction, which will double the current ER's capacity, Kirkman said."

Would they build a new hospital in Canada? Nope no money sorry!
Good try though.
Of course, no new hospitals have been built within Canada over the past 3 years and none are currently under construction and there are no new expansions on existing ones.

I am so sorry to have bothered your little fairy tale dream.

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Of course, no new hospitals have been built within Canada over the past 3 years and none are currently under construction and there are no new expansions on existing ones.

I am so sorry to have bothered your little fairy tale dream.
LOL I should hope they build a few new ones, but definitely not at a rate able to keep waiting times down to reasonable levels, ie American levels, which is why we have this problem in the first place.

So now you are arguing that US waiting times are similar to Canada's? Or that we build hospitals at a similar rate?? Give me a break get your head out of your behind.

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Of course, no new hospitals have been built within Canada over the past 3 years and none are currently under construction and there are no new expansions on existing ones.

I am so sorry to have bothered your little fairy tale dream.
The queens way carleton is expanding big time it will be double the size when its done aslo there plans to build a new mini hospital in orleans.

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LOL I should hope they build a few new ones, but definitely not at a rate able to keep waiting times down to reasonable levels, ie American levels, which is why we have this problem in the first place.

So now you are arguing that US waiting times are similar to Canada's? Or that we build hospitals at a similar rate?? Give me a break get your head out of your behind.
Thank you for your made up statistics, numbers and words.

It means so much to me to know that America replaces and grows the number of hospitals it has at a rate able to keep waiting times down to reasonable levels despite my examples that seem to show otherwise.

What were my examples? People had to die before expansions started.

But I guess my examples just aren't as concrete as your words.

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The queens way carleton is expanding big time it will be double the size when its done aslo there plans to build a new mini hospital in orleans.
Well hallelujah, too bad it is about 15 years overdue. In the states, due to demand, they would have built a new one years ago. Hence their lower waiting time average.

As of January 2011, the provincial wait time for Ontario's emergency rooms are 10.7 hours for complex conditions, and 4.4 hours for uncomplicated conditions. That is disgraceful. By the time those hospitals are complete, the waiting times will be worse than they are now, I guarantee it.

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