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03-11-2011, 04:02 PM
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Stat surfing doesn't make a point.

Kreider has a physical package that most players don't have. And he was going to improve his production from the year prior before he broke his jaw.

And he improved his overall game.

He's going pro next year, he will be in the NHL next year. And he will not be relegated to 3rd-4th line duties, either.

Kreider's production from a defensive role, not on the top line, is not an issue. Things work differently at BC then they do at Wisconsin. Stepan was afforded the opportunity to be a go-to guy. Atkinson, a Senior, is the go-to guy at BC. At BC seniority matters.

Kreider was invited to play for the men's USA team at the World Championship at age 18. How many 2009 draftees were invited to play in that tournament?

He was a PPG at the WJC and MVP of the Bronze Medal game. MVP at the Bean Pot. Scored countless big goals both last year including a big goal in the Gold Medal game at the WJC last year, more down the stretch last year, and still yet more this year in big game situations.

But, let's harp on the fact he doesn't have overwhelming, "dominating" stats.

His stats are not "pedestrian". 20+ points in an NCAA season is not bad, at all, from a freshman on a stacked National Championship team coming out of prep HS. And still yet, not bad at all from a sophomore playing more of a two way roll again on a stacked National Championship caliber team.

Of the players drafted in 2009, that are at the NCAA level, how are they doing? 2010 draftees? 2011 draft eligible players?

Stat surfing is not helping make any point. Comparing stats to other guys in different years also, does not help make any point. Each situation is unique.

The progress in his overall game since being drafted is what matters.

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I agree completely that "progress" is what matters most in evaluating a prospect. If I were "stat surfing" and making outrageous projections, you'd be right to correct me.

I'm not making outrageous predictions, however. I'm simply saying that based on Kreider's stats, he hasn't proven yet that he's a shoo in step into the NHL and score 20 or more goals for the Rangers next year.

That's a very conservative statement. I'm not even saying it can't happen. I'm just saying it isn't likely to happen... next year. This statement would be true of almost any prospect regardless of stats.

We Ranger fans have a tendancy to expect too much from our prospects. I've always tried to temper those expectations and have patience with young players. We expect too much, and then we often turn on our young players too quickly.

I've argued with other Ranger fans for years on this site and others that we were expecting too much from players like Brendl, Montoya, Sanguinetti and Gilroy. Most of those arguments were based on stats. My Gilroy debates were classic... I was called a fool in every which way... largely because I was relying on stats and ignoring his unique circumstances. Right. Conversely, I was arguing with fans who wanted to dump Dubi & Arte last summer.

It seems now that a sizeable group of fans here fully expect Kreider to star for the Rangers next year. I'm saying it will take time, and I'm using historical stats to back me up. The fact that nobody has been able to produce a single example of a player with stats similar to Kreider's making the kind of leap most of us are expecting suggests it might be the first time in NHL history. But hey, the Rangers are blessed, right?

Please don't think I'm down on Kreider. I love the fact that he's a Ranger prospect. I love the fact that he's a two way player. My only argument is that it might take time for him to become a proficient goal scorer on the NHL level, and we should not depend on it happening next year. That's not an outrageous statement to make.

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03-12-2011, 12:42 PM
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I would love for Kreider to make the team out of camp next season.

I think these would be very good lines.

Assuming we get Richards, if we resign Fedotenko/don't resign him

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello
Kreider-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko/Avery-Boyle-Prust

Christensen is scratched

Man i would love to see Kreider and Callahan on a line together, let alone penalty killing together.

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03-20-2011, 09:25 AM
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Since people don't check the prospects thread

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BC, which has won eight straight games over and eight in a row at TD Garden over the last two years, will get Chris Kreider, a first-round pick of the New York Rangers, back at practice Monday. He has been out since suffering a broken jaw Feb. 25.
http://www.boston.com/sports/college...ey_east_title/

BC will play either Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday.

Will find out in about one hour.

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03-20-2011, 09:33 AM
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I agree completely that "progress" is what matters most in evaluating a prospect. If I were "stat surfing" and making outrageous projections, you'd be right to correct me.

I'm not making outrageous predictions, however. I'm simply saying that based on Kreider's stats, he hasn't proven yet that he's a shoo in step into the NHL and score 20 or more goals for the Rangers next year.

That's a very conservative statement. I'm not even saying it can't happen. I'm just saying it isn't likely to happen... next year. This statement would be true of almost any prospect regardless of stats.
We Ranger fans have a tendancy to expect too much from our prospects. I've always tried to temper those expectations and have patience with young players. We expect too much, and then we often turn on our young players too quickly.

Please don't think I'm down on Kreider. I love the fact that he's a Ranger prospect. I love the fact that he's a two way player. My only argument is that it might take time for him to become a proficient goal scorer on the NHL level, and we should not depend on it happening next year. That's not an outrageous statement to make.
Excellent post only being around this board as a lurker and a poster it seems more to me though that everyone leans more towards negativity and some people are so bad they don't even recognize it if our prospects play over their projections in a few cases. People seem more biased to being right than to being open to the idea that these are young 20 year olds who can't step into a men's league and don't always perform at their peak all the time. It also seems like people fail to like prospects a lot of time if they are simply 2nd liners. We appreciate our third line bangers and grit guys but anytime a guy only makes 2nd line potential we give up even if it's only his 2nd year.

Can't agree more about Kreider though he's going to need a few years to develop like most players all do. He's shown he's coachable and that he does improve in all facets of the game though which will boost his development like a dominoe effect.

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03-20-2011, 09:34 AM
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Posted that in the prospects thread...

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J. York after last night: #BC's Chris Kreider will play in the #NCAA regional next week after a quick recovery from broken jaw. #hockeyeast
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03-20-2011, 09:40 AM
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Im glad Kreider will be back. I just hope he stays in school ala Hagelin.

I just think, playing @ the NCAA level with alot of practice and coaching is better for Chris at this time than playing in Hartford.

If he consistantly dominated @ this level, I would definetley want to sign him, but his offensive game is not consistant.

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03-20-2011, 09:53 AM
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many hockey players have played the game with broken jaws. Or rather they have played before healing completely from broken jaws. It's not an injury that is limiting in terms of actual hockey ability.

As for turning pro, I have had my doubts and I have expressed them time and again and each time I have, he's proven me incorrect in my assessment.

I am now of the opinion that the limited numbers that he has produced is totally based on the role that he is playing and that he is comfortable learning the game with the full confidence in his offensive abilities.

The fact that he is a player that is solid in his own zone is only going to ensure that he gets a VERY long look at the NHL level this october.

His size, speed, shot and ability to play in the defensive zone is going to ensure that he plays for the Rangers next year.

The kicker here is that his cap hit is going to allow the Rangers move a player that makes more money than he's worth.

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03-25-2011, 08:29 PM
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BC vs. Colorado College on ESPN U right now.

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03-25-2011, 08:32 PM
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Watching it right now. Kreider was a direct contributor on that first goal. Puck gets dumped in and he's on top of the D-man in a flash. You can't appreciate his speed until you watch him play.

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03-25-2011, 08:39 PM
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Kreider is like Wolverine, heals up in no time. Can't wait to see what he can do.

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At this rate Kreider might be on the team in time for the playoffs.

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03-25-2011, 10:25 PM
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BC got lit up tonight. It's 7-2 in the 3rd right now. Kreider has been alright but its just one of those games where nothing is going right for anyone.

I'll be going to the Merrimack vs Notre Dame game tomorrow in Manchester to watch my school take on the fighting irish. Should be a pretty good game.

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