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03-12-2011, 03:07 PM
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I feel that, considering his draft position, he's turned out very well.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2006e.html
Looking at that list. The only players I'd have taken over him that were still available (in hingsight), are Lucic, Kulemin (sp?), and maybe Anisimov.

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Looking at that list. The only players I'd have taken over him that were still available (in hingsight), are Lucic, Kulemin (sp?), and maybe Anisimov.
.......and maybe Marchand

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03-12-2011, 03:32 PM
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I hate to disagree with all of you, but I think he's looked great the last week or so. He's been forechecking hard, cycling better than anybody else on the team, driving the net, and getting scoring opportunities. He was terrific against New Jersey and didn't even get a point out of it. As for the inconsistency, he has fifteen points in his last thirty games with seven goals, which puts him exactly where I think he belongs in terms of production. Luckily, he's not a top-six-or-nothing type player, and he'll be a monster third liner for a long time. He'll get the "A" soon, and hover around 40-45 points. That's a pretty good player, in my opinion.

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03-12-2011, 04:13 PM
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I hate to disagree with all of you, but I think he's looked great the last week or so. He's been forechecking hard, cycling better than anybody else on the team, driving the net, and getting scoring opportunities. He was terrific against New Jersey and didn't even get a point out of it. As for the inconsistency, he has fifteen points in his last thirty games with seven goals, which puts him exactly where I think he belongs in terms of production. Luckily, he's not a top-six-or-nothing type player, and he'll be a monster third liner for a long time. He'll get the "A" soon, and hover around 40-45 points. That's a pretty good player, in my opinion.
I guess it all depends on what people expected of him. I've always thought he would make a great third line player for the same reasons you listed, but I never really expected him to be a legit second line winger.

Even though he showed some flashes of a top 6 player (Hi Regin!), I think he's best suited for that hard nose checking style.

With good line mates that won't change very week, I don't doubt he could surprise us!

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03-12-2011, 05:14 PM
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I don't understand - aren't 99% of the posters here cheering for us to lose? Then why the calling out of players who aren't playing well?

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03-12-2011, 05:23 PM
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I don't understand - aren't 99% of the posters here cheering for us to lose? Then why the calling out of players who aren't playing well?
We want them to shut them out 5-0 until the last minute where they just toss the puck in their own net 6 times. Duh.

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03-12-2011, 05:32 PM
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I think he and Regin will be in a dogfight to the end to make the team next year, there's a lot of guys pushing them now with more on the way after this draft.

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03-12-2011, 07:34 PM
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I hate to disagree with all of you, but I think he's looked great the last week or so. He's been forechecking hard, cycling better than anybody else on the team, driving the net, and getting scoring opportunities. He was terrific against New Jersey and didn't even get a point out of it. As for the inconsistency, he has fifteen points in his last thirty games with seven goals, which puts him exactly where I think he belongs in terms of production. Luckily, he's not a top-six-or-nothing type player, and he'll be a monster third liner for a long time. He'll get the "A" soon, and hover around 40-45 points. That's a pretty good player, in my opinion.
Agree with all of this.
Good 3rd liner on a deep team, 2nd line LW on a weaker team (does everybody really understand what a black hole of talent LW is in the NHL?).

In terms of his play specifically; he needs to stick to the power/grinding game. He doesn't have the skill to succeed with the finesse game he sometimes falls into.

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I think he and Regin will be in a dogfight to the end to make the team next year, there's a lot of guys pushing them now with more on the way after this draft.
1) Foligno is younger than pretty much every new player we've added and is playing very well amongst them.
2) we don't have any sort of roster crunch coming up at forward whatsoever. Who is pushing them out of the lineup?
3) You do realize that you're comparing Regin and Foligno getting limited minutes on a team with Spezza, Alfie, Fisher, Michalek & Kovalev... to youngsters getting tonnes of ice time on a team with Spezza and nothing else.

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03-12-2011, 07:37 PM
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I think he and Regin will be in a dogfight to the end to make the team next year, there's a lot of guys pushing them now with more on the way after this draft.
Bull****. Regin actually has something to prove, while foligno has shown everybody that he's an NHL player. Players like Condra and Hamilton will be a threat to Regin, whose only proven strength at this point is defensive ability. If players like Stone, O'Brien, or Silfverberg are going to push somebody out of the lineup, it would likely be somebody like Winchester or Shannon. Don't forget that Svatos and Potulny will almost certainly not play in Ottawa next season. That leaves a lot of room in the bottom six.

Foligno is good for 40 points next season, along with great all-around play, physicality and leadership. Only two players have a real shot at surpassing 40 points this season. I don't see anybody in our prospect pool that has a legitimate chance of beating that.

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03-12-2011, 11:54 PM
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Weird, I haven't seen his performance that way at all.

First off, he's playing with Smith and Neil. Not exactly the fastest or most productive players on the team. They're a line that's meant to get the puck in the offensive zone and keep it there, while being physical. They've been largely successful at it.
I dunno which smith you're watching. Granted smith isn't the fastest on the team, but he has become quite a quick skater lately. He also does have some hands and with more development will be an excellent 3rd line centre that can put up a few points and rattle some opposing players insides.

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03-13-2011, 03:32 AM
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I don't understand - aren't 99% of the posters here cheering for us to lose? Then why the calling out of players who aren't playing well?
We just like to piss and moan about everything and anything cuz that's just what we do. That's how we roll here in ottawa.

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03-13-2011, 11:41 AM
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I also thought that Foligno had been asserting himself lately as a good role player. I've liked he and Smith on the Foligno Smith Neil line. Unfortunately, we are using that as a 2nd line at the moment, but as an energy line that can score like 3rd liners, im liking it. A hard to play against, finish your checks, in your face, change momentum line.

Even when we drafted him, as i remember it, there was some hopes that maybe he could become 2nd liner with a little luck, but general expectations were for a good 3rd liner. And i think he has been finding his role lately, and specifically has been visible. Keep it up i'd say.

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03-13-2011, 04:48 PM
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What's weird is that Foligno's got good hands, is a solid if slightly slow skater, and generates quite a few scoring chances. He just doesn't seem to actually produce points at the rate you'd expect for the amount of quality scoring chances he creates.

You'll often see this guy completely undress the defensemen, or blow right through them and crash the net... then he jams the puck into the goalie's left pad and it gets covered for a whistle. I think he needs to work on his approach towards shooting in general. It seems like if he could just finish he'd be a really good player, because most of the other stuff is there.

In any case, I think it's worth keeping him for at least 2-3 more seasons to see if he can pull it together, unless we somehow get 5 NHL ready top 6 forwards in that time span.

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03-13-2011, 07:06 PM
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"On March 21, 2007, Senators' general manager John Muckler announced the club had agreed to terms on an entry level contract with Foligno,
Thanks. I remember the draft day interview and I could have sworn it was Duthie interviewing Foligno with Murray at the same table. My mistake.

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03-14-2011, 08:09 AM
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The organization put Greening on the 1st line left wing spot ahead of Foligno. That pretty much tells you what they think of him, not much.

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03-14-2011, 08:36 AM
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I hate to disagree with all of you, but I think he's looked great the last week or so. He's been forechecking hard, cycling better than anybody else on the team, driving the net, and getting scoring opportunities. He was terrific against New Jersey and didn't even get a point out of it. As for the inconsistency, he has fifteen points in his last thirty games with seven goals, which puts him exactly where I think he belongs in terms of production. Luckily, he's not a top-six-or-nothing type player, and he'll be a monster third liner for a long time. He'll get the "A" soon, and hover around 40-45 points. That's a pretty good player, in my opinion.
I guess we expect Top 6 out of a 1st round pick. I concur with your point that he is playing better of late. Seems to be getting some chemistry with Smith and Neil. I would assume that is the 3rd line next year.

I also assume Greening and Condra are on the team. And Silfverberg will get a look if he's over. Shannon is the dark horse. He too has been better of late as a centre. Svatos and Potulny (maybe AHL) are not here.

Regin has a long way back and will probably be wobbly (see Kovalev & Michalek this year) for a good part of next year. He needs to stay on IR until he is strong, not rush back.

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03-14-2011, 10:29 PM
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So this is the problem with Foligno:???

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hock.../17613296.html

Read the part where he says of Kovalev:
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“He taught me skill things and then things you don’t get normally taught. He’s been a real big influence on me in a sense of how to play the game and what to look for. We definitely miss him, but I’m happy he’s in a good situation (in Pittsburgh).”
Kovalev hangs on to the puck until he thinks it's the perfect play. So that's what Foligno has been trying to do only with less skill and experience but on most nights with similar results.

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03-15-2011, 01:32 PM
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The organization put Greening on the 1st line left wing spot ahead of Foligno. That pretty much tells you what they think of him, not much.
I think this is just Clouston making the lines he wants. It doesn't necessarily mean the organization as a whole thinks Foligno will never get better.

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