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Caps Allow Alzner to Walk if Offer Sheeted?

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03-13-2011, 01:57 AM
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Caps Allow Alzner to Walk if Offer Sheeted?

The question is in the title, would the Caps allow Alzy to walk if he's signed to an offer sheet? Saw the Varlamov speculation and am copying that. Why should they spend more than $1M to re-sign him? And at that price, why not take a shot if you're the Isles, TB, Edmonton or the like?

The Caps don't need him with Carlson looking so sharp this season. Plus, it would help their future to grab a couple first rounders or whatever, thoughts?

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The question is in the title, would the Caps allow Alzy to walk if he's signed to an offer sheet? Saw the Varlamov speculation and am copying that. Why should they spend more than $1M to re-sign him? And at that price, why not take a shot if you're the Isles, TB, Edmonton or the like?

The Caps don't need him with Carlson looking so sharp this season. Plus, it would help their future to grab a couple first rounders or whatever, thoughts?
you wouldn't even get one 1st if offer sheeted...

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.

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nope, they wont let him be offer-sheeted.

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The question is in the title, would the Caps allow Alzy to walk if he's signed to an offer sheet? Saw the Varlamov speculation and am copying that. Why should they spend more than $1M to re-sign him? And at that price, why not take a shot if you're the Isles, TB, Edmonton or the like?

The Caps don't need him with Carlson looking so sharp this season. Plus, it would help their future to grab a couple first rounders or whatever, thoughts?
What? He's Carlson's linemate and their playing incredibly well together. It would be dumb for us to let Alzner walk.

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Ummm not sure if I read this right or not. You're saying that the caps wont match $1million for Alzner? WOW. And look at this link for compensation on offer sheet signings

http://thenhlarena.com/topic/89464-r...tion-brackets/

Has he really been that awful this year? He is a plus 13 sure not many points but with a plus 13 I don't think hes a defensive liability...I have not watched much of the caps this year though. But for them to give up on a 22 year old former 5th overall pick for a 3rd rounder would be ****ing insane imo.

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The question is in the title, would the Caps allow Alzy to walk if he's signed to an offer sheet? Saw the Varlamov speculation and am copying that. Why should they spend more than $1M to re-sign him? And at that price, why not take a shot if you're the Isles, TB, Edmonton or the like?

The Caps don't need him with Carlson looking so sharp this season. Plus, it would help their future to grab a couple first rounders or whatever, thoughts?
That sounds insane. No way it's true, the capitals aren't even having cap problems. Why would they let any young players walk?

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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/playe...uk_n2ZbwzCfgM6

Here are some stats for him this season. He is blocking 1.5 shots pg, throwing 1.3 hits pg, has played all 69 games, +13, 11 points and averages about 20 minutes per game(this one is hard to find had to go to cbssports and do some math yikes).

I am 100% confident the caps match $1million.. but if that is what it takes.. get it done Burke! lol

He is only 22 and his stats aren't awful for a defensive dman.

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you wouldn't even get one 1st if offer sheeted...

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.
How come no one brought this up in the Varlamov thred?

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How come no one brought this up in the Varlamov thred?
24th post in that thread

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Thanks. Went back and re read.

The fans on the Washington Thread GDT: Caps vs Oilers 3/9/2011 7:00 PM EST have been discussing what Washington will offer. See posts around #464-481ish.

Sounds like Alzner could be a steal of a deal.

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I expect McPhee to want Alzner to have a second good season before he gives him a deal with term at the kind of rate many are throwing around here. With that in mind I wouldn't doubt Alzner signs a 1 year deal like Schultz did coming out of his ELC for relatively low money and then cash in the next year.

Schultz came out of his ELC after playing 64 games that season, averaging 19:45 a game in ice time, with a 1-11-12 and +13 stat line and signed a 1 year deal for $715k, and that was with having 2 full NHL seasons under his belt. It wasn't until the next year and +50 that he got term and significant money.

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that would be bad asset management if they let him go. he's a capable defenseman. I also doubt teams would overpay for his services.

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I think you'd have to offer north of 5M per season to steal him. It would create too many problems for Washington to resign him.... and if a good team was grabbing him the value for Washington would be horrible.

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they took their time with alzner and let him mature in the AHL, no way they only use him for 1 season before letting him walk.

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No way they would let him walk for 1m. Maybe if they're in a cap pinch they might let him walk for 3m, or more if some team is desperate.

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Zero chance the Caps let Alzner walk.

Also zero chance they let any player of theirs walk due to an offer sheet.

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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/playe...uk_n2ZbwzCfgM6

Here are some stats for him this season. He is blocking 1.5 shots pg, throwing 1.3 hits pg, has played all 69 games, +13, 11 points and averages about 20 minutes per game(this one is hard to find had to go to cbssports and do some math yikes).

I am 100% confident the caps match $1million.. but if that is what it takes.. get it done Burke! lol

He is only 22 and his stats aren't awful for a defensive dman.

Important note that no stat sheet will tell you. Carlson and Alzner are playing against opposition top lines most of the year and have done very well. Not as much now with the trade dead line additions.

Also his current projected compensation for this last year of his ELC is 1.6 mil. His salary dropping to 1 mil would help the CAPS, not hinder. You're going to have to venture well into the 3's before it's even a question of matching.

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2.5 million enough. It would only cost teams a 2nd and it is reasonable enough to pay Alzner that much when trying to steal him. He is probably worth 1.6-1.8 as a true RFA

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The only way he gets offered sheeted is if another GM wants to make enemies with us, there is no way he walks, him and Carlson are our best D pairing and they're both rookies.

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2.5 million enough. It would only cost teams a 2nd and it is reasonable enough to pay Alzner that much when trying to steal him. He is probably worth 1.6-1.8 as a true RFA
2.5?

They would sign that, match it and skip all the way to the bank.


The only way you're really looking at not matching is for the high 3's, and maybe even 4. At that point, they probably have traded him anyhow.



The only teams who could rationally afford that type of gamble and wages either won't do it, or couldn't afford giving up the top 10 pick.


Can we get a blanket, the Caps are going to keep those they want to keep of their RFAs post so we can get these crack pots to stop with this?

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I can see him getting a similar contract to Sbisa's.

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I'd go to the max of the 2nd round compensation. Somewhere around 3M.

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This is a joke right?

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I'd go to the max of the 2nd round compensation. Somewhere around 3M.
At which point they'd match.

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At which point they'd match.
Exactly.

At at the next paygrade, Oilers would have to compensate a 1st, which at the point isn't worth it.

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Absolutely not. There is more chance of the Oilers making the playoffs than there is of the Caps letting Alzner walk for $1 million.

In fact, I could see the Caps matching up to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder level.

The difference with Varly is that he's frequently injured and that the Caps have two other goalies that are close to his level.

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