Give him the GM position..... Canīt get much worse, so itīs worth a try.
Is that really the attitude we want the front office to have?
They raise ticket prices 23% and price out the middle class and we are supposed to be ok with them giving a guy with no experience a shot? This teams history suggests that that is extremely short-sighted and lazy.
"Hey Jim, Slats here- i got an old friend here who wants to give the GM job a shot... whaddaya say?"
"Sure Glen, why not..., I know nothing about hockey anyway, so why bother holding interviews..."
Great players rarely turn into even decent coaches. The only pro sports athlete who was a dominant player and was a pretty good coach was Larry Bird. GM? Maybe he could be like Yzerman but who knows.
They're certainly rare, but there were more than just Bird. Off the top of my head
Mike Ditka
Frank Robinson
Larry Robinson
Gil Hodges
Glen Sather is the biggest problem with this organization, so I'm not sure why putting his protege in the drivers seat is a step in the right direction. No way does Messier come in and do anything to upset the "plan" that Sather has put in to place. They're far too close on a personal level for that to happen.
You want to put someone internally in charge? Jeff Gorton is the guy. Otherwise I think you need a fresh outlook on how to build a team, and that has to come from outside the current regime.
Great players are almost universally horrific coaches. The only player I can think of in any sport that could at any point have been considered a great player to have won a Championship as a coach is Joe Torre and really he walked into a perfect storm. I blind and deaf monkey could have won a World Series with some of those Yankees teams.
Recipe for disaster and could potentially set the franchise back for a decade. Then again, with 85 years of mediocrity under our belt would anyone notice? Ok, now I'm not Mr. Negative or anything, but now is not the time to let former "legends" with no experience run the show.
Messier was a horrible leader, no hockey sense, and sure couldn't lead a team unless he's playing on it...even then, not like he'd win a cup or anything.
Moreover, being known as a leader (again, known to most as "The Captain") is no reason to think he'd be a great coach.
How much coaching experience did Lemaire have before he molded NJ into the best defensive team in sports history?
Two years in MTL? How'd he start that? What made someone think that would be a good idea?
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Where is the option that indicates that Messier may have been a great leader, but not everyone appreciated his final seasons with the Rangers. He wasn't the flawless player that people made him out to be, and nothing indicates that he would be anywhere near what he was as a player as a coach.
He was a great leader, but gets too much credit for 1994.
messier will be an even bigger disaster than sather
Keep seeing this....why?
Please bananas, if you're going to shoot something down, at least try to show you worth in the form of an explanation.
"I just don't think it'll work"
"Great player doesn't equal great coach"
"Bigger disaster than Slats"
At least pretend we're talking about Mark Messier, please.
If we were talking MacTavish or Lowe, fine. It's Mark Messier.
Are some of you even old enough to recall gameS before he left in 1997?
Anyone here who wasn't under the age of 6 for the Stanley Cup?
Just asking because I'm not seeing much that shows memory of what Messier brought to his first two teams.
Would he most definitely be a successful coach? Of course I can't say for sure!
...but if you don't think of him as possibly turning into the best player turned coach you don't remember Mark Messier.
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Great players rarely turn into even decent coaches. The only pro sports athlete who was a dominant player and was a pretty good coach was Larry Bird. GM? Maybe he could be like Yzerman but who knows.
Jacques Lemaire was a HHOF caliber player and is certainly a pretty good coach.
The reason I don't want him as a GM is because look at who he trained under. He may be a good judge of talent and character, but I don't want another little Sather running around.
This team needs to look elsewhere (outside the organization) when looking for a new GM and coach. Even though it's a cliche, this organization REALLY needs a breath of fresh air.
Great players are almost universally horrific coaches. The only player I can think of in any sport that could at any point have been considered a great player to have won a Championship as a coach is Joe Torre and really he walked into a perfect storm. I blind and deaf monkey could have won a World Series with some of those Yankees teams.
Toe Blake, Jacques Lemaire, Larry Robinson?
Mark Messier couldn't, JUST COULDN'T be next in line.
The reason I don't want him as a GM is because look at who he trained under. He may be a good judge of talent and character, but I don't want another little Sather running around.
This team needs to look elsewhere (outside the organization) when looking for a new GM and coach. Even though it's a cliche, this organization REALLY needs a breath of fresh air.
Torts is running the show just fine. Its funny how people think that its just Slats changing his mindset coincidentally at the time Tortorella came in. You can bet that Torts has a HUGE say in any move Slats makes. I don't want a change in authorities for this team unless we regress greatly next year.
The reason I don't want him as a GM is because look at who he trained under. He may be a good judge of talent and character, but I don't want another little Sather running around.
This team needs to look elsewhere (outside the organization) when looking for a new GM and coach. Even though it's a cliche, this organization REALLY needs a breath of fresh air.
Exactly. Wish we'd run a NORMAL Nhl organization for once.
Don't get me wrong. I think Messier has an amazing eye for talent and good character, it just bugs me to all hell that he is trained under Sather.
Messier's role should be not a direct assistant coach, but he should be head of player development and work with all the young guys in practice.
Didn't mean to come off how I did with the 'cute', and I know what you're saying, but I really don't think his eye/view/thought process will change under Sather. He's just going through the hazing(for lack of better term) process for a front office job.
Not like he's opening up his skull, taking his brain out and sticking Sather's in.
I had to ask because there's a very real chance that this team will miss the playoffs for the second straight year. More teams make the playoffs than miss them. I dont see how that translates into a team primed to make a Cup run in the next five years.
How long after drafting Crosby did it take the Pens to reach the cup? The Blackhawks after Toews? We may not draft players of equal talent but we certainly I could argue have our talent spread out a lot more through the team while they had their talent focused into a few players. You're lookin g at it in a very black and white manner compared to me which is fine there are multiple ways of evaluating success.
Simply losing two or three more games last year and we fin ourselves drafting either Burmistrov or Skinner. Missing the PO's depending how badly we miss could easily net a player who gives more than enough of a boost to our already stocked cupboard of centers and D-men. Just need a few more forwards imo. Or 1 giant elite player. Can't tell you how much I think the combined loss of CHerepanov and not drafting Tarasenko sucks yet I'm still optimistic. There are too many names performing too well so early for me not to be.
At the very least this certainly isn't 2005 where Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman and all them blew up or 2008 when we realized some of our talent was not as advertised and we had tremendous cap issues with Gomez, ROszi, Drury and redden. Now dru is coming off soon, Redden is buried and could retire within a year, Gomez is replaced, ROszi is replaced and was gone soon anyway.
With Sather at the helm I have noa rguement against fear this isn't going to work out but I draw the line at the close minded thinking we aren't going to keep improving under any foreeable circumstances.
if u look up at the luxury boxes in the garden, and u find sathers box, last time i was there i discovered messier sitting next to him so they're priming him to become a GM which i dont think were just ready for yet
