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03-18-2011, 12:44 AM
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Leino was a diver in Finland also where diving is rare. I hope he stops doing it and just plays good hockey. He's one of my favourite players in the whole NHL, but that needs to stop.

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that is disgracefull by Leino.was there one by Carcillo as well?

diving just outright pisses me off.

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03-18-2011, 01:31 AM
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Meh whatever all teams have divers. If you want it to stop the NHL should start punishing it more harshly but it is hard to call.

Blatant dives like the Carcillo one posted in this thread should be suspendable imo.

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03-18-2011, 05:04 AM
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Watch further than the ball punch, it looks like he has his skate taken out as well, which is why he went down.

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Watch further than the ball punch, it looks like he has his skate taken out as well, which is why he went down.
He looks like a soccer player throwing his arms up in the air like that, trying to draw attention and a penalty... a.k.a. diving.

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03-18-2011, 05:35 AM
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He looks like a soccer player throwing his arms up in the air like that, trying to draw attention and a penalty... a.k.a. diving.
Actually, that's called embellishment. Yeah, he gave it a little extra. Yes, embellishing is stupid. That doesn't mean a sack-tap doesn't hurt.

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03-18-2011, 05:39 AM
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Actually, that's called embellishment. Yeah, he gave it a little extra. Yes, embellishing is stupid. That doesn't mean a sack-tap doesn't hurt.
Sack-tap eh?


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03-18-2011, 05:48 AM
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The whining vaginas on this board are out of control.

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03-18-2011, 05:53 AM
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Diving sucks, makes the players look like big vaginas, but it is no surprise that Briere , Carcillo, and Leino dive.

I do think Leino got hit in the cup though, but he didn't have to throw his arms up.
Even though Briere dives, he is still much more skilled than the other 2. I mean, even some of the best players dove. It's sickening, but if you can sell it, you did your job.

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I like Briere and Leino, I'm just saying they are divers.

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I like Briere and Leino, I'm just saying they are divers.
I'm sure most NHLers have dived at least once in their careers. I guess it's just becoming part of the game, but thank god it's no where near the head-hunting stuff going on. One ruins games, the other ruins careers.

Head hunting is by far worse, but just saying, even diving is subtly dirty.

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Head Hunting has nothing to do with diving.

There is a diving penalty, so it shouldn't "be part of the game". I think it's just hard for refs to tell if someone is diving in full speed, live action

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03-18-2011, 07:20 AM
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When was the last times your arms shot up in the air when you got hit in the balls?
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03-18-2011, 08:05 AM
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I like Briere and Leino, I'm just saying they are divers.
The diving call on Briere last Saturday vs. Atlanta was ********. He goes down and got right up. There was zero embellishing.

Players falls down all the time. It's apparently that a lot of people in this thread don't have center ice. I think a lot of it is just skating hard and losing an edge too, whether it be from just some form of contact with an opposing player or a legit penalty. It happens when you have two knives strapped onto your feet and you've playing on a sheet of ice.

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The diving call on Briere last Saturday vs. Atlanta was ********. He goes down and got right up. There was zero embellishing.

Players falls down all the time. It's apparently that a lot of people in this thread don't have center ice. I think a lot of it is just skating hard and losing an edge too, whether it be from just some form of contact with an opposing player or a legit penalty. It happens when you have two knives strapped onto your feet and you've playing on a sheet of ice.
Either way Briere does dive from time to time. Carcillo embellishes a lot.

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03-18-2011, 08:14 AM
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Either way Briere does dive from time to time. Carcillo embellishes a lot.
Oh I'm not saying they don't. But to say it's "out of control?" In comparison to what? Because if it's comparison to the average of the league, I'd say the Flyers about even.

Hartnell falls down a lot, for instance. But so does Malkin, but I don't hear Pens fans complaining about it being out of control. It's an obvious repercussion of skating hard. I'm sure you're aware of this though.

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03-18-2011, 08:17 AM
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It sorta makes it hard for us to talk crap on the penguins with their diving now because the flyers dive so much now. Briere, Leino and Carcillo are terrible with that. Leinos are the worst though because you can just throws his arms all over every time. I think Carcillo does it just to try and make the other team mad half the time then laugh in their face if it gets called.

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Yeah this game was just a weird one since there were about 3 or 4 dives, I guess that sets people's vagin-o-meter off

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It sorta makes it hard for us to talk crap on the penguins with their diving now because the flyers dive so much now. Briere, Leino and Carcillo are terrible with that. Leinos are the worst though because you can just throws his arms all over every time. I think Carcillo does it just to try and make the other team mad half the time then laugh in their face if it gets called.
It's still worse when Crosby dives, as he has probably the strongest legs in the league

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The diving call on Briere last Saturday vs. Atlanta was ********. He goes down and got right up. There was zero embellishing.

Players falls down all the time. It's apparently that a lot of people in this thread don't have center ice. I think a lot of it is just skating hard and losing an edge too, whether it be from just some form of contact with an opposing player or a legit penalty. It happens when you have two knives strapped onto your feet and you've playing on a sheet of ice.
Honestly, I thought it was a dive. Briere was clearly interfered with and tripped up, but he threw his head backwards on the way down. He does it constantly. Just my 2 cents. You were already falling, no need to embellish with the head.

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Oh I'm not saying they don't. But to say it's "out of control?" In comparison to what? Because if it's comparison to the average of the league, I'd say the Flyers about even.

Hartnell falls down a lot, for instance. But so does Malkin, but I don't hear Pens fans complaining about it being out of control. It's an obvious repercussion of skating hard. I'm sure you're aware of this though.
Hartnell falls down a lot not because he's trying to get a call but because he just falls down a lot. I love how much he falls. I find it amusing. And you're right, it's a repercussion of his effort and throwing his weight around.


Overall, I hate diving. It makes me think of soccer players and it drives me crazy.

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Honestly, I thought it was a dive. Briere was clearly interfered with and tripped up, but he threw his head backwards on the way down. He does it constantly. Just my 2 cents. You were already falling, no need to embellish with the head.



Hartnell falls down a lot not because he's trying to get a call but because he just falls down a lot. I love how much he falls. I find it amusing. And you're right, it's a repercussion of his effort and throwing his weight around.


Overall, I hate diving. It makes me think of soccer players and it drives me crazy.
I think there's an important distinction between diving and embelleshing. What Briere did in the first Thrashers game wasn't a dive imo. He was legitimately sent to the ice because of the contact. If he flailed a little bit extra on the way down, I don't usually have a problem with that unless it's really blatant. I thought that Little took a dive later in the same game- that one wasn't called and we gave up a pp goal.

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I think there's an important distinction between diving and embelleshing. What Briere did in the first Thrashers game wasn't a dive imo. He was legitimately sent to the ice because of the contact. If he flailed a little bit extra on the way down, I don't usually have a problem with that unless it's really blatant. I thought that Little took a dive later in the same game- that one wasn't called and we gave up a pp goal.
On top of that, like I mentioned before, he got right back up and tried to get right back into the play. No laying down like "why no call?" and such, regardless of it was embellishing, he showed that staying in the play was more important than drawing a penalty. And they still called him for it.

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I think there's an important distinction between diving and embelleshing. What Briere did in the first Thrashers game wasn't a dive imo. He was legitimately sent to the ice because of the contact. If he flailed a little bit extra on the way down, I don't usually have a problem with that unless it's really blatant. I thought that Little took a dive later in the same game- that one wasn't called and we gave up a pp goal.
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On top of that, like I mentioned before, he got right back up and tried to get right back into the play. No laying down like "why no call?" and such, regardless of it was embellishing, he showed that staying in the play was more important than drawing a penalty. And they still called him for it.
Ok I can acknowledge a definite disction between a dive and an embellishment but it accomplishes the same thing. I don't think one is more acceptable than the other; and neither does the league.

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penalized with a minor penalty under this rule.

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Ville got punched near the groin, and his skate did get tangled with the Hamburglar.... But, Ville threw his arms up in the air like a big sissy.

Maybe that play is a microcosm of what is wrong with the Flyers at them moment...

Also, why would a team with an awful PP try to draw penalties? They should be doing everything they can to stay 5 on 5.

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Ville got punched near the groin, and his skate did get tangled with the Hamburglar.... But, Ville threw his arms up in the air like a big sissy.

Maybe that play is a microcosm of what is wrong with the Flyers at them moment...

Also, why would a team with an awful PP try to draw penalties? They should be doing everything they can to stay 5 on 5.
I guess the Flyers are resorting to "waiving their hands in the air..like they just don't care."

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Worst thing about diving in the NHL is when they call both penalties. Not that it can't happen that there is a dive and a penalty, but in the last few years I have only seen a handful of diving get called on its own. Which is what I think part of the problem is. If the refs called diving every time they saw it and not just the worst of the worst, the dives will become less frequent. In theory, anyway.

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