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03-17-2011, 10:45 AM
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FWIW, Although he has the numbers of an NHL body, he still has some filling out to do. While I don't think he will make the team this year (training camp performance can always prove me wrong), I would rather see him spend some time with Staal, and Girardi with MDZ. Reunite Staal and Girardi for high offense teams, but otherwise spread the good defensemen around a bit. MDZ needs a good defensive partner, not Eminger/Gilroy/rookie.

Staal - Girardi 15 Minutes a Game
Staal - Mcilrath 10 minutes a game
MDZ - Girardi 10 minutes a game
MCD - Sauer 20 minutes a game
MDZ - Mcilrath 5 minutes a game

Staal - 25 Minutes, Girardi - 25 Minutes, MCD - 20, Sauer 20, MDZ 15, McI 15

A ROUGH time breakdown like that (pk and pp would obviously be different) would be the ideal situation for both MDZ and Mcilrath to thrive in. But i still don't think Mcilrath makes the team.


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I'm sure he'll get a look in camp, but it's far more likely he's sent back to Moose Jaw. Let the kid mature and develop. Could we use his physicality? Sure, but we're not desperate for it. No sense in rushing him.

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03-17-2011, 11:18 AM
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It's hard to believe Dylan is close to ready at this point. When he was drafted it was expected he would take at least 2 or 3 years to develop. That was less than a year ago. I'd be quite surprised if he saw any action on Broadway next season.

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03-17-2011, 02:35 PM
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Lets see how he does in camp and the preseason before counting him out.
Let's talk about how he's played in MJ this season, when he was on the ice, not when he was injured.

No one seems to want to discuss if he is even playing well against smaller WHL'ers. People want to discuss the future all the time, well, what about now, how has he fared this year?

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03-17-2011, 05:32 PM
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Pray for our skaters, now at the hour of camp

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^^^^In 2012-13 sure(think he's eligible then), now hell no. Not to mention he's not even eligible.

And with all the youth we have on defense now would he the worst time for him to develop in our system.
I meant "now" meaning with the current top-4.

Considering he's a top-10 pick, he will have very little pressure on him on a defense anchored by Staal.

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03-17-2011, 09:50 PM
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Imo:Another year in the dub, then 2-3 years in the A. I love the kid but he's got lots of work and filling out to do. So he makes the team as a 22...maybe 23 year old 230 - 240lb monster.

We'll see but that is what I'm hoping for.

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03-17-2011, 11:03 PM
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Imo:Another year in the dub, then 2-3 years in the A. I love the kid but he's got lots of work and filling out to do. So he makes the team as a 22...maybe 23 year old 230 - 240lb monster.

We'll see but that is what I'm hoping for.
Now that's realistic, I'm totally down with that, just hope he stays healthy over the next few seasons.

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Imo:Another year in the dub, then 2-3 years in the A. I love the kid but he's got lots of work and filling out to do. So he makes the team as a 22...maybe 23 year old 230 - 240lb monster.

We'll see but that is what I'm hoping for.
Sauer style.

No need to rush him here.

If everyone pans out...

Staal - Girardi
McD - Sauer
MDZ - McIlrath

In 4 years would be nasty. Wouldn't matter if we were starting Kevin Weekes in net.

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Imo:Another year in the dub, then 2-3 years in the A. I love the kid but he's got lots of work and filling out to do. So he makes the team as a 22...maybe 23 year old 230 - 240lb monster.

We'll see but that is what I'm hoping for.
it look Sauer 5 years from his draft year in 2005 to be an NHL regular.


if it takes McIlrath 3-4 years from his draft year say 2013-2014 season to make NHL full time i wouldnt mind that at all. especially if McIlrath might be one of those players that gets hurt from time to time due to his play.

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03-18-2011, 01:38 AM
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Five years is just fine. That would put him at about 23. Again, just fine. With the depth we have there is absolutely no need to rush him.

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Sauer had so many injuries which hurt his path to the NHL. He has had more than 1 concussion(it's 2). He went to skull adjustment specialist in Texas in the summer of 2006. ACL surgery. Shoulder surgery.2 of his 3 seasons in the AHL ended with an injury. Hip surgeries in his draft year. When he fought Matt Martin on Tuesday,had to look away when Sauer took some of those punches.

McIlrath probably got the max which is $900,000 for 2010 1st rounders. 10% can be a signing bonus. 3 year ELC. $270,000 to sign. $67,500 AHL. All ELCs are two way. Performance bonuses. Contract slides to 12-13 if McIlrath doesn't play 10 NHL games next season. SPC doesn't count against 50 SPC limit if he is assigned to Moose Jaw next season.

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Those hoping he's going to take 2-3 years to crack the NHL roster are going to be disappointed.

They didn't draft him 10th overall, keep him in New York all summer, and sign him less then one season after drafting him, to bury him in the CHL and AHL for five years.

There's a spot on the right side of the third pair wide open this summer. Don't be surprised if he wins that spot in camp.

This is the same Del Zotto, Stepan, Anisimov, Kreider argument.

The Rangers have an entirely different handle on things, if they feel a player is ready for a shot, then they're ready.

If they feel getting 9-10 games of NHL experience under his belt is part of the process, then its part of the process.

And if he makes it and is inconsistent in his first+ month of his NHL career, that doesn't mean he will be sent packing, either. See: Derek Stepan. They've shown no hesitation to allow a player to develop at the NHL level.

This isn't the McDonagh or Sauer situation. There were no available spots open. There will be over the summer. They need all the free cap space they can afford. They want Richards and need to re-sign they're RFA's. There's a 100% chance a rookie is on the third pair in October.

And Kreider is going to be in the NHL in October.

Don't be surprised if Thomas, Hagelin, or Werek are as well.

Prospal, Fedotenko, Christensen, Eminger, Gilroy, McCabe, Drury, Avery, and even Wolski are not part of the future. The future includes next season.

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Those hoping he's going to take 2-3 years to crack the NHL roster are going to be disappointed.

They didn't draft him 10th overall, keep him in New York all summer, and sign him less then one season after drafting him, to bury him in the CHL and AHL for five years.

There's a spot on the right side of the third pair wide open this summer. Don't be surprised if he wins that spot in camp.

This is the same Del Zotto, Stepan, Anisimov, Kreider argument.

The Rangers have an entirely different handle on things, if they feel a player is ready for a shot, then they're ready.

If they feel getting 9-10 games of NHL experience under his belt is part of the process, then its part of the process.

And if he makes it and is inconsistent in his first+ month of his NHL career, that doesn't mean he will be sent packing, either. See: Derek Stepan. They've shown no hesitation to allow a player to develop at the NHL level.

This isn't the McDonagh or Sauer situation. There were no available spots open. There will be over the summer. They need all the free cap space they can afford. They want Richards and need to re-sign they're RFA's. There's a 100% chance a rookie is on the third pair in October.

And Kreider is going to be in the NHL in October.

Don't be surprised if Thomas, Hagelin, or Werek are as well.

Prospal, Fedotenko, Christensen, Eminger, Gilroy, McCabe, Drury, Avery, and even Wolski are not part of the future. The future includes next season.
You think he's making the team this fall? That sure would be an impressive feat for a player who by nearly all accounts was years from ready when drafted.

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03-18-2011, 10:08 AM
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There's a spot on the right side of the third pair wide open this summer. Don't be surprised if he wins that spot in camp.
I would be surprised because it would show a huge jump in ability that from all accounts hasn't been born out by his play in the WHL this year. It's not impossible for it to happen...you mention Stepan and it's true most of us (and people who watched a lot of college hockey) thought he was not ready and left school too soon. But Stepan at least had several years of development, dominated at the highest level for his age group, and is an incredibly smart player.

I think McIlrath spends one more year in the WHL and it'll be good for him.

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The Rangers have an entirely different handle on things, if they feel a player is ready for a shot, then they're ready.
I do kind of agree, and I'm generally the one towing the line of "let's wait and see how they do in camp", I just think it'd be surprising if he's truly ready. This signing seems more like a "taking care of business" signing rather than getting him ready to make the team next year.

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This isn't the McDonagh or Sauer situation. There were no available spots open. There will be over the summer. They need all the free cap space they can afford. They want Richards and need to re-sign they're RFA's. There's a 100% chance a rookie is on the third pair in October.

And Kreider is going to be in the NHL in October.

Don't be surprised if Thomas, Hagelin, or Werek are as well.
We say that stuff a lot and then the Rangers sign a bunch of guys to fill out the roster. There's no way that the Rangers will roll with 4-5 rookies next year

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I'd certainly be surprised if he made the team out of camp. However, more and more young players are stepping right in to the NHL and being very successful. It seems with the new rules and a shift in style of gameplan / strategy, that younger players can play here if they're skilled enough and smart enough, even if they haven't fully grown into their bodies yet. McIlrath has a NHL body, even if he's still growing (which is great). It's a case of if his game / mind is ready for the NHL. When we drafted him, I, like many others, assumed that he'd need at least a year or two in the AHL first. But stranger things have happened, and it wouldn't be the worst idea to let him learn, trial by fire, in the NHL. We'll see what happens. We have other prospects who may be able to win the open d-spot as well (Valenteko, Kundratek, Pashnin to name a few).

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I think that we are seeing a greater influx of younger players to the NHL for 2 reasons, the first and most important being that they are cheaper for at least 3 years. Secondly, and not surprising is that what we see as rookie mistakes vetrans have been making and the thought process is that is, if we are getting very similar play from a vet and a rookie, save the money the Vet is going to cost you and play the kid.

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Those hoping he's going to take 2-3 years to crack the NHL roster are going to be disappointed.

They didn't draft him 10th overall, keep him in New York all summer, and sign him less then one season after drafting him, to bury him in the CHL and AHL for five years.

There's a spot on the right side of the third pair wide open this summer. Don't be surprised if he wins that spot in camp.

This is the same Del Zotto, Stepan, Anisimov, Kreider argument.

The Rangers have an entirely different handle on things, if they feel a player is ready for a shot, then they're ready.

If they feel getting 9-10 games of NHL experience under his belt is part of the process, then its part of the process.

And if he makes it and is inconsistent in his first+ month of his NHL career, that doesn't mean he will be sent packing, either. See: Derek Stepan. They've shown no hesitation to allow a player to develop at the NHL level.

This isn't the McDonagh or Sauer situation. There were no available spots open. There will be over the summer. They need all the free cap space they can afford. They want Richards and need to re-sign they're RFA's. There's a 100% chance a rookie is on the third pair in October.

And Kreider is going to be in the NHL in October.

Don't be surprised if Thomas, Hagelin, or Werek are as well.

Prospal, Fedotenko, Christensen, Eminger, Gilroy, McCabe, Drury, Avery, and even Wolski are not part of the future. The future includes next season.
Exactly.

This org. has a long, long history of rushing players, espeically high draft picks. It's not going to change with McI.

Only thing that keeps him out of the NHL ASAP are injuries.

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If Cam Fowler can play in the NHL with his horrid defensive play, McIlrath can play in the NHL at 19. Its just a matter of if the Rangers choose to let him go through the growing pains there or take the conservative approach.

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Although signing Brad Richards and then throwing a 19 year old thats nowhere near ready for fulltime NHL duty would be par for the course when it comes to the mixed messages this organization has been sending over the years, I just dont see it happening.

Same goes for all the Kreider, Hagelin, Thomas, Werek, etc talk - if you're expecting all or most of them to make contributions to the big club next season, expect to be disappointed.

Do we need to look any further than Del Zotto's issues to see the pitfalls of rushing along a young player too quickly?

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Those hoping he's going to take 2-3 years to crack the NHL roster are going to be disappointed.

They didn't draft him 10th overall, keep him in New York all summer, and sign him less then one season after drafting him, to bury him in the CHL and AHL for five years.

There's a spot on the right side of the third pair wide open this summer. Don't be surprised if he wins that spot in camp.

This is the same Del Zotto, Stepan, Anisimov, Kreider argument.

The Rangers have an entirely different handle on things, if they feel a player is ready for a shot, then they're ready.

If they feel getting 9-10 games of NHL experience under his belt is part of the process, then its part of the process.

And if he makes it and is inconsistent in his first+ month of his NHL career, that doesn't mean he will be sent packing, either. See: Derek Stepan. They've shown no hesitation to allow a player to develop at the NHL level.

This isn't the McDonagh or Sauer situation. There were no available spots open. There will be over the summer. They need all the free cap space they can afford. They want Richards and need to re-sign they're RFA's. There's a 100% chance a rookie is on the third pair in October.

And Kreider is going to be in the NHL in October.

Don't be surprised if Thomas, Hagelin, or Werek are as well.

Prospal, Fedotenko, Christensen, Eminger, Gilroy, McCabe, Drury, Avery, and even Wolski are not part of the future. The future includes next season.
I was really surprised at how they treated McIlrath this summer. Keeping at the table for the 2nd round, having him be on an NYC tour bus, it seemed he received extra special treatment for some reason. Maybe they wanted to get him on his good side.

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Any rational explanations why these two over other prospects still without ELC?
The player has to sign the contract, it's not like you just draft the ELC and it's done.

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didn't expect this one... But good for him. Maybe he can get some regular season games in next year towards the end. Cant wait our D is going to be unstoppable.

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