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07-31-2005, 01:59 AM
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I'm happy as hell because we ended up with Buravchikov, especially in the 7th round. I'd rather have gotten Korhonen, but I think Buravchikov will be a 3/4 defenseman in 2-4 years with 40-45 pt potential and average defensive ability.

The Zagrapan pick was pretty good, though I'd have rather had Hanzal or Bergfors at that spot. He's an all or nothing guy, and I can see him being either a bust or a 70-80 pt player. Either way, I think we'll know alot more by how he does in juniors next season to make sure this year wasn't a fluke.

The more I read about him, I'm pretty keen on the Gerbe pick considering where we got him. It's always nice to have one or two players like that in the system. From what I gather he's a Gionta type player with less scoring ability, but still good value for 5th round.

I like the pick of Gragnani. Medium skill player, but plays very smart and plays 100% every shift..we always have room for those type of guys on our blueline. Reminds me a bit of Patrick without the offensive touch he had in the prime of his career.

The Gogulla pick is interesting for sure...and I'd probably be happy with it if it was a 4th rounder or something, but there were many better players on the board that they could have taken, and they didn't. So until he proves to me that he's worth it, I'm not happy with this pick, as much as I love ze germans.

Kennedy and Orpik I don't have an opinion on, but it's always good to take local kids late in the draft.

Don't know anything about Generous except that he has a porno name.

Don't like the pick of Dennis at all, it reeks of Jeff Weber/Ghyslain Rosseau (sp).

Butler I've never seen play and the HF writeup has like no bad things to say about him, so I'll reserve judgement for when I actually see him play, but it seems like a solid pick.

All in all, I think they did decent, but messed up the 2nd round pretty bad...Jaro Kristek style maybe.

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How far away do you think Zags is from the NHL? 2 years?

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Zagrapan happy to be selected by Buffalo.

http://hokej.point.sk/spravy/?clanok=36470 (in Slovak)

Quote: "Im quite happy BUF selected me. I have talked with the BUF scouts a couple of times before. I know Ill have to work on myself. I hope i can help the offense in Buffalo".

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07-31-2005, 04:53 AM
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Maybe this helps a bit with the Gogulla-selection (I expected him to go somewhere between 60 and 80):

Neither Seidenberg, nor Ehrhoff or Schubert were anywhere close to being a regular in the DEL in their first draft-eligible year. Schubert was playing in a third tier league, Ehrhoff as well.

Hecht, Sturm and Goc are not really comparable. Hecht and Sturm were maybe the biggest talents Germany ever had (not counting the guys who were never interested in joining the NHL, which are pretty much all our alltime-greats). They were scoring at an exceptional pace, but the DEL was much worse at that time.
Goc played for the worst team in the league and was their first line center after the team was hit by the injury-bug. He never got the same ice-time again and his stats dropped of considerable.

Germans can rarely be rated by what they have done in Germany. Teams don't let 17- or 18 year olds play on a scoring line, there are better Germans and foreigners for that role.

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07-31-2005, 10:07 AM
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Maybe this helps a bit with the Gogulla-selection (I expected him to go somewhere between 60 and 80):

Neither Seidenberg, nor Ehrhoff or Schubert were anywhere close to being a regular in the DEL in their first draft-eligible year. Schubert was playing in a third tier league, Ehrhoff as well.

Hecht, Sturm and Goc are not really comparable. Hecht and Sturm were maybe the biggest talents Germany ever had (not counting the guys who were never interested in joining the NHL, which are pretty much all our alltime-greats). They were scoring at an exceptional pace, but the DEL was much worse at that time.
Goc played for the worst team in the league and was their first line center after the team was hit by the injury-bug. He never got the same ice-time again and his stats dropped of considerable.

Germans can rarely be rated by what they have done in Germany. Teams don't let 17- or 18 year olds play on a scoring line, there are better Germans and foreigners for that role.

But Erhoff, Seidenberg and Schubert were all in the german national team when they were drafted. Gogula is far away from that. But hes young and to play with an age of 17 47 games by a very good team in the DEL (Cologne) is not so bad. I think the DEL is comparable to the AHL
I wish him to get a chance anytime by the Buffalo Sabres, but I really dont know if he can make it. We'll see...

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07-31-2005, 10:09 AM
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Just looking at my checklist from another thread, it looks like the Sabres did everything I hoped they'd do.

1. Best non-O'Marra in the first? Check. The run on defensemen was disappointing leading into Buffalo's pick but Zagrapan addresses the next biggest hole in the organzation: playmaking center. This is the kind of pick I wish the Sabres had made last season.

2. Increase size on the blueline? Check. It was also disappointing to see a defenseman run in the late first and into the second. Like many the Gogulla pick has me a bit baffled (seems a bit Fabry-like to me) but overall with the addition of 5 blueliners with average to good size and mobility I'm happy. Gragnani and Buravchikov particularly and it'll be nice to stow Butler, Generous and Orpik away in the college ranks for a while and see if anything comes of them.

3. Add a goalie? Check. In fact being a bit older I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis is a backup in Rochester this year.

Toss in a strange trade for a local boy and I'm very pleased with this draft. At least as pleased as you can be the day after a draft. I'm certainly more enthusiastic about this class than I was for 04's.


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07-31-2005, 10:22 AM
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But Erhoff, Seidenberg and Schubert were all in the german national team when they were drafted. Gogula is far away from that. But hes young and to play with an age of 17 47 games by a very good team in the DEL (Cologne) is not so bad. I think the DEL is comparable to the AHL
I wish him to get a chance anytime by the Buffalo Sabres, but I really dont know if he can make it. We'll see...
You are right, Gogulla isn't playing for the national team, but neither did Ehrhoff, Schubert and Seidenberg at his age.
All three were drafted in 2001, but Ehrhoff and Schubert were eligible in 2000 and Seidenberg in 1999. They were close to being 20 when they were drafted.

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07-31-2005, 10:23 AM
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Maybe this helps a bit with the Gogulla-selection (I expected him to go somewhere between 60 and 80):

Neither Seidenberg, nor Ehrhoff or Schubert were anywhere close to being a regular in the DEL in their first draft-eligible year. Schubert was playing in a third tier league, Ehrhoff as well.

Hecht, Sturm and Goc are not really comparable. Hecht and Sturm were maybe the biggest talents Germany ever had (not counting the guys who were never interested in joining the NHL, which are pretty much all our alltime-greats). They were scoring at an exceptional pace, but the DEL was much worse at that time.
Goc played for the worst team in the league and was their first line center after the team was hit by the injury-bug. He never got the same ice-time again and his stats dropped of considerable.

Germans can rarely be rated by what they have done in Germany. Teams don't let 17- or 18 year olds play on a scoring line, there are better Germans and foreigners for that role.
Thats exactly how it is.
But Gogulla has luck to play in Cologne. His coach is Hans Zach, who is one of a few coaches, who benefit young players. If an older German player or a foreigner is hurt, the young talents sometimes are lined up with the stars in the first or second line...Gogulla and Kai Hospelt (Sharks draft) had some icetime with guys like Dave McLlwain, Jean-Yves Roy or Alex Hicks last season...and Im sure, that they will get more icetime next season.
Nevertheless they likely will be listed as the regular fourth line...

Gogulla has size,talent and hockey vision. But I question his character...he seems to feel like the next star and shows that feeling. Last season, he was sent to the Cologne Junior team at the end of the season for helping them in the playoffs...he played a really arrogant style and seems to have no intentions to be integrated in the team.
Last summer, he basted a linesman in an inline-hockey-game and is disabled for the next 4 years in that league !!!

I`ll be exciting to watch his career...

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07-31-2005, 10:27 AM
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Last summer, he blew a linesman in an inline-hockey-game
This may cause a few problems in the locker room....

EDIT: Then again, maybe the Sabres will start to get some calls going their way....

(I just re-read your original post that said he "blew him up". Just having a l'il fun on a Sunday morning before the Mod Squad gets up!)


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This may cause a few problems in the locker room....

EDIT: Then again, maybe the Sabres will start to get some calls going their way....
Hmpf....damned translation !!!

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07-31-2005, 10:34 AM
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Hmpf....damned translation !!!
No, you did well. See my edit. I missed the key word - "up"!


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07-31-2005, 11:06 AM
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This may cause a few problems in the locker room....

EDIT: Then again, maybe the Sabres will start to get some calls going their way....

(I just re-read your original post that said he "blew him up". Just having a l'il fun on a Sunday morning before the Mod Squad gets up!)
Seems we know where KB's interests lie. Or is that lay?

Anyway, thanks for the translation. Seems like we have another guy in the Fabry mode, has some tools, needs to develop them and others.

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Seems we know where KB's interests lie. Or is that lay?
Hey, I originally asked for pictures, then thought better of it. I'm not too worried about the pick. I would have liked to see them go for Hagemo, or maybe even Baldwin (bigger body than Russell) at that spot, but Gogulla's success at the Four Nations apparently gave Quinn errr Regier, Luce et.al enough to go on. It reeks of Kriukov, with a touch of Fabry and even Paetsch's "am I a F or am I a D". One thing's for sure, the kid has swagger and a bit of an attitude which could be great or equally troubling.

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Hey, I originally asked for pictures, then thought better of it. I'm not too worried about the pick. I would have liked to see them go for Hagemo, or maybe even Baldwin (bigger body than Russell) at that spot, but Gogulla's success at the Four Nations apparently gave Quinn errr Regier, Luce et.al enough to go on. It reeks of Kriukov, with a touch of Fabry and even Paetsch's "am I a F or am I a D". One thing's for sure, the kid has swagger and a bit of an attitude which could be great or equally troubling.
Well whatever it is, they now only have his rights for two years so I am a bit more leary of overseas development projects now.

With the short time between ratification and training camp, it seems unlikely the Sabres will have their summer rookie/draftee orientation. Hopefully they bring more of their people to camp for a look and then we can see what these kids have that had them drafted.

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