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03-20-2011, 09:05 PM
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This is getting beyond ridiculous. Smyth has been a key element in Kopitar's development. To say he never should have been acquired? Why? His cap hit certainly isn't effecting the Kings ability to add players. He has brought a great deal more than just his play on the ice to the organization.

He could probably use a break at this point in the season, but it looks like he will be forced to gut it out. His minutes will continue to be reduced by Murray if need be.
Wait a minute, weren't you criticizing Kopitar's play about 2 weeks ago, even saying you would trade him for Jamie Benn. And now you suddenly using Kopitar as a reason to defend the Smyth trade?

Kopitar is a two-way center, one of the best in the game. Smyth is a one-dimensional former scoring winger who was never mistaken for a Selke candidate. Kopitar was a star player before Smyth arrived and he will be a star long after Smyth is gone. To say Ryan Smyth taught Anze Kopitar how to play defense is laughable.

And yes adding Smyth's salary could easily handcuff the Kings in adding talent this summer. The way the cap is set-up teams can only have a certain amount star players, Smyth is paid like a star and simply isn't. Let's face it, except for the months of October and November he has never been worth it. I don't even blame Lombardi, I do think it was a bit of a panic move after he got shut out on July 1st, but realistically no one could have imagined that by the end of the second year that Smyth would be this bad. I thought year 3 would be a struggle for a player of his age, the collapse last year and this year could not have been foreseen. That being said, don't expect to see the Kings make a similar move for a mid 30's player on the downside making big money.

Do you think the Kings should buy him out this summer?

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03-20-2011, 09:16 PM
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Kopitar is a two-way center, one of the best in the game. Smyth is a one-dimensional former scoring winger who was never mistaken for a Selke candidate. Kopitar was a star player before Smyth arrived and he will be a star long after Smyth is gone. To say Ryan Smyth taught Anze Kopitar how to play defense is laughable.
... I'll go you one better. I'd say Handzus has had far more to do with Kopitar rounding out his game as a player. Aside from the skating, of course - Kopitar and Handzus play similar positions, and similar games. I don't see where Smyth has "taught" Kopitar much of anything, to be perfectly honest with you.

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The Kings are going to lose.

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Can someone let TM know that on the road when he doesn't have the
final change , and Kopitar's line ISN'T being used in a shutdown
role , they WIN , but at home when he does use Kopitar's line
against the other team's top line they LOSE.

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03-20-2011, 11:20 PM
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Are you saying that TM isn't a competent NHL caliber coach?




Oh and my opinion on the Kings Calgary game?

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Murray will have those lines back together before the 3rd period.

He always flip flops stuff and doesn't even need an excuse to do so.

He'll see it isn't working out and in the middle of the 2nd, the original 2nd and 3rd lines will be back intact.

No use wasting time talking about it, imo.

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03-20-2011, 11:52 PM
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would be suprised if the Kings won by less than 5 goals

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03-20-2011, 11:55 PM
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... I'd rather see Bernier dealt off in the off-season than to see a repeat in 2011-12 of this ****show with the goaltending position. If he's not going to get a shot here, he'll get one elsewhere - maybe with Ottawa, maybe with Tampa Bay, who knows - a few teams out there could use a guy who will be a number one for years. Leaving Bernier to rot on the bench for 55-60 games again next season would just be terrible asset management and would serve no purpose whatsoever.
Dude, Bernier's played how many games in the NHL? Keeping a possible eventual number one for a couple more years, to gain experience on the cheap is PERFECT asset management.

He'll get his day, but for now he's contracted to be an LA King and will do what he has to do. Whether that be riding the bench and making his fanboyrs cry or coming into aid a flailing Quick.

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would be suprised if the Kings won by less than 5 goals
i wouldnt be suprised if they lost too

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I would throw myself off the nearest bridge if we dealt Bernier and Quick goes down to injury.

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03-21-2011, 02:25 AM
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Smyth has to step it up, he is finally starting to show his age. Kings are very slow at the LW, Penner, Smyth, Poni aren't the fastest guys...Clifford has some speed, of course Richie does, but when Cliffy plays instead of Westy, Richie shifts to the RW.

This will need to be addressed in the off season, Kings need a speedy LW on the 2nd or 3rd line....Penner has that 1st line LW spot locked in and Clifford on the 4th line, but Smyth has one year left and Poni is a UFA.

The RW position is all but solidified for a bit with Williams, Brown, Simmonds as the top 3 and Westgarth/Richie as the 4th line RW.

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03-21-2011, 11:46 AM
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Wait a minute, weren't you criticizing Kopitar's play about 2 weeks ago, even saying you would trade him for Jamie Benn. And now you suddenly using Kopitar as a reason to defend the Smyth trade?

Kopitar is a two-way center, one of the best in the game. Smyth is a one-dimensional former scoring winger who was never mistaken for a Selke candidate. Kopitar was a star player before Smyth arrived and he will be a star long after Smyth is gone. To say Ryan Smyth taught Anze Kopitar how to play defense is laughable.

And yes adding Smyth's salary could easily handcuff the Kings in adding talent this summer. The way the cap is set-up teams can only have a certain amount star players, Smyth is paid like a star and simply isn't. Let's face it, except for the months of October and November he has never been worth it. I don't even blame Lombardi, I do think it was a bit of a panic move after he got shut out on July 1st, but realistically no one could have imagined that by the end of the second year that Smyth would be this bad. I thought year 3 would be a struggle for a player of his age, the collapse last year and this year could not have been foreseen. That being said, don't expect to see the Kings make a similar move for a mid 30's player on the downside making big money.

Do you think the Kings should buy him out this summer?
Herby your such a negative nancy Calm down Kings make the playoffs get to at least the 2nd round Smyth is still slow and people will blame him, Stoll, Handzus, and Brown for losing in the playoffs. We will look forward to Schenn next year. Then we will blame Symth, Stoll, Brown, and of course the coaching and the refs and on and on next year.

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We lose again...

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Dude, Bernier's played how many games in the NHL? Keeping a possible eventual number one for a couple more years, to gain experience on the cheap is PERFECT asset management.

He'll get his day, but for now he's contracted to be an LA King and will do what he has to do.
... It doesn't make any sense for the Kings to have two number one goalies on their roster. As soon as they throw their support behind one of them, the other needs to be dealt for what they need - whether it's a top 6 forward, or whatever - and then the franchise can either pluck a career backup from somewhere, or promote either Jones or Zatkoff.

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... It doesn't make any sense for the Kings to have two number one goalies on their roster. As soon as they throw their support behind one of them, the other needs to be dealt for what they need - whether it's a top 6 forward, or whatever - and then the franchise can either pluck a career backup from somewhere, or promote either Jones or Zatkoff.
Agreed ... but this won't happen this season ... nor most likely NEXT Season, maybe late near next trade deadline, but most likely will take another 2 years to settle itself, just like Lombardi did in San Jose you know because he has to stick to his playbook and follow it line by line

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... It doesn't make any sense for the Kings to have two number one goalies on their roster. As soon as they throw their support behind one of them, the other needs to be dealt for what they need - whether it's a top 6 forward, or whatever - and then the franchise can either pluck a career backup from somewhere, or promote either Jones or Zatkoff.
Two problems with your post.

1. Bernier is a rookie and not yet a no.1 NHL goaltender.
2. You're overstating Bernier's value to other teams. He is not going to fetch us a top 6 forward right now. I do believe that his stock will increase quickly though, so might as well hold onto him until then (i.e. when his contract expires). Then the Kings can decide what to do at that point. Keep one trade the other, keep both, etc.

Again, the current situation is perfect asset management. Not just good for the team, but good for the goalies themselves as well.

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