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08-01-2005, 02:00 PM
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Anaheim-Philly Proposal

Bored trade idea

Ana gets: Pitkanen,Handzus,Eager
Philly gets:Ryan,Salei,Pahlson

Ducks gets their future top Dman,a good defensive center and some toughness
Philly gets the prospect they wanted, a tough Dman, and a generic Handzus replacement

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Bored trade idea

Ana gets: Pitkanen,Handzus,Eager
Philly gets:Ryan,Salei,Pahlson

Ducks gets their future top Dman,a good defensive center and some toughness
Philly gets the prospect they wanted, a tough Dman, and a generic Handzus replacement
You are about to get eaten alive. IMO, Joni > Ryan...especially at this point in the game.

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Oh dear, I take it youre a Ducks fan. Pretty brutal from the Philly point of view.

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I would think a Handzus+Pitkanen deal would be the basis for a trade for, say, Jarome Iginla.

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I would think a Handzus+Pitkanen deal would be the basis for a trade for, say, Jarome Iginla.
Add in more, like Carter and its a deal. At this point..you have to throw in quite a bit to get a top 5 NHL player, who will challenge for the scoring race every year and JUST entering his prime now.

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Just entering his prime and can choose to become an UFA, it doesnt matter how good a player is, once they get near UFA status in a cap world then teams arent going to pay a lot when they can have them for free soon.

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08-01-2005, 02:31 PM
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Just entering his prime and can choose to become an UFA, it doesnt matter how good a player is, once they get near UFA status in a cap world then teams arent going to pay a lot when they can have them for free soon.
Handzus will be a UFA just as quick. I understand your arguement..UFA applies to Iginla but not Handzus as well???

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Add in more, like Carter and its a deal. At this point..you have to throw in quite a bit to get a top 5 NHL player, who will challenge for the scoring race every year and JUST entering his prime now.
To be fair, I said basis for a trade, not that Handzus+Pitkanen = Iginla.

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Why wouldn't they have just drafted Jack Johnson instead of drafting Bobby Ryan and trading him for a young defenseman?

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Handzus will be a UFA just as quick. I understand your arguement..UFA applies to Iginla but not Handzus as well???
It does but unless Iginla is signed to a long contract, Pitkanen isnt worth giving up. Id rather have 7 years worth of Pitkanen that 1 year of Iginla.

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To be fair, I said basis for a trade, not that Handzus+Pitkanen = Iginla.
Oh I agree...thats why I said someone like Carter would need to be added.

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In your dreams, Iginla at this moment isnt work Pitkanen or Carter, never mind both. Clarke can just pick him up next year for nothing if he wants.

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Supposedly, Iginla just signed a 3-year deal at $6-6.5 million per.

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In your dreams, Iginla at this moment isnt work Pitkanen or Carter, never mind both. Clarke can just pick him up next year for nothing if he wants.
As much as I like Carter, he won't help the Flyers win the cup this season. Iginla is the type of player who can push a constant playoff team like Philadelphia into a cup finalist. If I was Bobby Clarke, I'd take Iginla for Carter and run.

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Oh I agree...thats why I said someone like Carter would need to be added.
Carter's too much sweetener for that deal. Pitkanen/Handzus/Umberger/2nd round '06 for Iginla/Lydman?

Not that either Pitkanen or Iginla are going anywhere...

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As much as I like Carter, he won't help the Flyers win the cup this season. Iginla is the type of player who can push a constant playoff team like Philadelphia into a cup finalist. If I was Bobby Clarke, I'd take Iginla for Carter and run.
And ice a team with 9 forwards and 5 defensemen?

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Great, now we can all forget about this.

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I forgot to add in my original post... I don't think this is a good proposal. Anaheim makes out like bandits.

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And ice a team with 9 forwards and 5 defensemen?
If I recall correctly, Flyers still have plenty of room on their payroll. The Flyers are so fortunate to have such a young group of talent while at the same time being cup contenders every year. If I could pick one team to win the cup this season, I would almost guarantee the Flyers would do it if they trade for (1 year) of Iginla... nevermind the fact they can sign him for more years after winning a cup with him.

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Clarke would not trade Pitkanen for Ryan straight up, so why would he add Handzus and get even more hosed?

If the Flyers want to make a run for the cup next year, they will need Pitkanen to do it. IMO, Pitkanen is the best young dman or dprospect in the NHL, and is more valuable than Ryan easily.

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08-01-2005, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirk316
Bored trade idea

Ana gets: Pitkanen,Handzus,Eager
Philly gets:Ryan,Salei,Pahlson

Ducks gets their future top Dman,a good defensive center and some toughness
Philly gets the prospect they wanted, a tough Dman, and a generic Handzus replacement
No.

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As much as I like Carter, he won't help the Flyers win the cup this season. Iginla is the type of player who can push a constant playoff team like Philadelphia into a cup finalist. If I was Bobby Clarke, I'd take Iginla for Carter and run.
If you mean "run" as in "run away so Ed won't be able to find and hang me for what I just did," then I'm with you. Under the new bargaining agreement, can an NHL GM pay a player in chickens and other livestock and have it not count against the cap? Essentially, that's what Clarke would need in order to consummate this trade. He needs NHL-ready, cheap players who can contribue like Pitkanen, Carter, and Richards (and Nittymaki, Seidenberg, Sharp, etc.). He can't afford somebody like Iginla. He's one of the best players in the game, but the reality is that unless Sutter would be willing to take salary the other way, it would completely handcuff the Flyer organization financially.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, Pawn, but we went almost a year without hockey because of finances, and yet we're still discussing proposals and rumors as though teams are operating with an open checking account and no ceiling.

Edit: Furthermore, why would Calgary need to move Iginla in the new world where we have a cap? I know he hasn't extended his payroll so that he's near it. Unless ownership has determined they can't afford Iginla (last year's playoff run absolutely had to help them financially), I don't know why they'd need to trade him.


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I think the moderators should ban Stanley for being too insightful and balanced.

What a great post....

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I think the moderators should ban Stanley for being too insightful and balanced.

What a great post....
Please, my post was much more insightful.

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Carter's too much sweetener for that deal. Pitkanen/Handzus/Umberger/2nd round '06 for Iginla/Lydman?

Not that either Pitkanen or Iginla are going anywhere...
Pass. Iginla makes any team a damn strong team (even without much supporting cast). Don't like RJ too much at this point.

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The price for Ryan at the draft was Pitkanen and Clarke backed off...so he's not about to make this type of trade now.

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